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Which Coins To Get Slabbed

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 Posted 07/01/2006  08:40 am Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add Diane to your friends list Get a Link to this Message Number of Subscribers
I'm considering getting a few of my coins slabbed. The question is which ones to go to that expense for. Is there a value at which it makes sense?

For example, I have some 1951S quarters that are labeled MS-65. I'm not experienced enough to know if they are really that grade. So I could send in one and see what comes back. But even if it did prove to be MS-65, would it be worth it to get it (or the whole batch) slabbed?
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 Posted 07/01/2006  09:11 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add pattiewhack to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I would only slab coins that, in your opinion, will be as least twice the value of what you payed to get them slabbed. Thats what I go by anyway.
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Diane, I don't know if you have one but you might want to purchase a 2007 Red Book of United States coins. It will give you a guide line of what your coins are worth in different degrees of condition,from AG about good to MS65. Then you will have some idea if its worth getting a coin graded. If you then find some you think you want to have graded,you could take them to a local coin dealer to submit them for you or,I believe you can send them to the grading service ANACS without going to a dealer or joining a grading service.
A dealer would also help you decide if a coin is worth getting graded.
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 Posted 07/01/2006  09:24 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add CiScO to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Hi Diane,

IMHO it depends. My first thought after reading your post was "by whom are the coins slabbed by right now"?

Then your tuff question, Is there a value at which it makes sense?
The honest answer is "yes & no". A few years ago I sent about 20 Silver Eagles to PCGS for grading, they all came back MS66 to MS68, not 1 came back MS69 or MS70. Later I sold a few on ebay. In all cases I lost money if you include the coin cost, the grading fees & the postage. Then the fees to ebay and Paypal, the costs of shipping to the winner, the losses mounted. So as you can see especially on the moderns you could lose money.

Now I think real hard before sending a coin in for grading. One of my big considerations now is "Is the coin rare?" Mintages, how many were made? Next is, I look to see what this coin has been selling for in the grade I hope to get it back, then I do the math. If the numbers jive and I really think this coin IS a high grade I might pull the trigger. If not I move on. Its current value in its raw form is where I start, I then start to add the costs, I then search to see what they have been selling for. This process is not foolproof mind ya, but it gives you a "ballpark" figure.

The next biggie ? is by whom is this coin slabbed by? PCGS is considered the "top dog" their graded coins are IMHO way over priced vs say NGC or ANACS, even ICG, which most consider the top 4 TPG's. All other grading companies most just have the value of the coin raw, they are not worth the slab it is encased in. So if you want the most bang, PCGS is unfortuantely the top dog, but IMHO they "undergrade coins consistently.

Personnally I now use only NGC, I want an "accurate grade", not an undergraded coin. I have also used ANACS on a few occassions when I KNEW the coin was cleaned, whizzed and/or has a problem. They will at least slab it with the problem stated on the case. Another words you get your moneys worth, the coin does not come back in a body bag.

Then you asked "So I could send in one and see what comes back. But even if it did prove to be MS-65, would it be worth it to get it (or the whole batch) slabbed?" I would recommend if your sure you want to do this, is send in 5 or 10 coins. See how they come back. If you use PCGS or NGC you have to send in a minimum amount of coins anyway. ANACS I'm not sure, you'll have to go to their web site. For PCGS & NGC you have to be a member and sign up at approx $99 cost but you get 5 free submissions with the membership, plus a token coin, usually a ASE graded MS68, with NGC 1 year I got a multi-holder state querter slab graded MS65. You'll have to go to each site to see what they are giving out today w/ membership. Fiannally, depending on your coins current holder, we have had threads on the forum whereas most members agreed that we should break out the coin being submitted out of its current holder and send them in raw. Hmm I have become long winded here, I hope I gave food for thought. Others I'm sure will chime in, afterwards, I'm sure you will have more questions. Do your homework is veeeerrryyy important.

CiScO
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 Posted 07/01/2006  09:46 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Diane to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Very helpful replies! Thank you all, and especially CiScO for so much detailed information. My coins are not slabbed at all. They're in cardboard holders with transparent see-through windows. Most were graded by my father, who was a lifelong devotee of coins. Some have other people's handwriting on the cardboards, probably the dealers he bought from.

I don't know yet how well his grading agrees with other people's. From the coins I have compared to the ANA Grading Standard book, he seems to be right on. But it's hard for me to be sure about MS-60, MS-63, MS-65, without seeing pieces that have been graded by experts. (I live in a small town that doesn't even have a pet store, let alone a coin shop.) I don't see anything that has been graded by a 3rd-party outfit. My father may have been overly optimistic.

There are quite a few coins that are duplicates that I will probably end up selling, like where I have 39 all alike. So I am trying to figure out what I should get slabbed, because I don't know how much I will be able to sell them for, and I don't know whether I'll have to get them slabbed before anyone will buy them.
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All coins have value and all should sell. The Red Book will give you an idea of their value but is NOT accurate due to the fact it is always prepared a year in advance for printing. Slabbing common date coins does not guarantee you more money as most coins are over HYPED by the grading companies and their value inflated. If I were you I would never slab anything except key date or very hard to find coins. Those would be worth while doing and it also guarantees their authenticity and grade. Guess what I am saying is don't get hooked on hyped values! Collect, buy and sell raw coins! As they say "collect the coin NOT the slab"!
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My friend got a proof egyptian coin in its original holder
I think it was Nefertete
He busted it out and send it in for slabbing
He said if he does not get PR 67 or better he will loose money

Well I do not have that problem yet

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I have Never Slabbed Anything :P
I do plan on but am scared, I dont know what to do, especially when I'm here in Kuwait.

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Another question is, "Why slab at all?" There's a certain resale incentive, if slabbed by the right company, but for your own personal collection.....

If resale is the goal, use as a cost basis the value of a coin two grades below your estimate if it's an inexpensive coin, and one grade if it's worth more than, say, $150. Those are nice, conservative numbers which should be enough to cover the cost of shipping/insuring/slabbing while still allowing you some profit margin.

In the case of the 1951-S quarters, MS66 wouldn't justify slabbing (two NGC MS66's just went for $29 each on ebay), much less MS65.

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 Posted 07/01/2006  3:43 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Diane to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
quote:
Originally posted by SuperDave

In the case of the 1951-S quarters, MS66 wouldn't justify slabbing (two NGC MS66's just went for $29 each on ebay), much less MS65.


Thanks for the great guidelines on making this kind of a decision on coins that a person is planning to sell.

In the case of the two 1951S quarters, how was the grade of MS66 determined?
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How much does it cost to have coins slabbed and graded?
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 Posted 07/02/2006  09:06 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add CiScO to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
quote:
Originally posted by laxmaster92

How much does it cost to have coins slabbed and graded?



At NGC it's from $12.50 up to $125.00
At PCGS it's from $10.00 up to $500.00
At ANACS it's from $11.00 up to $39.00

Info is from their respective web site. The different prices are for how fast you want it done, other prices depends on the actual coin, rarety, variety, attributes, age etc..

O yea, don't forget to ADD shipping, handling and insurance---

CiScO
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 Posted 07/02/2006  10:52 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add TSOTL to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Diane, you can go to Heritage and check out the coins they auction. You can study slabbed coins and even enlarge the images to check detail. You can look at all kinds of coins slabbed by different third party graders and see what grade they gave it. Even if you can't get to a coin store you can learn a bit this way. Heritage is here:

http://coins.heritageauctions.com/?

If it was me though I wouldn't worry about slabbing too much unless you just want to do it with a few coins for the experience. If you want to collect yourself just pick what you like and enjoy them. If you want to get rid of the duplicates or whatever else you don't want just ask around for a reputable dealer and take the lot to them or possibly list them on ebay if you want to go that route. ebay can be too much hassle for some people though so keep that in mind. Another possibility would be trading them off for other coins you want. If you enjoy working trades you might have some luck with dealers, coin shows or possibly even online at places like this. In any case it seems you are reading up on grading which is a good thing. Keep reading and learning and you should do fine.

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 Posted 07/05/2006  10:06 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Diane to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
quote:
Originally posted by crystalk64

Guess what I am saying is don't get hooked on hyped values! Collect, buy and sell raw coins! As they say "collect the coin NOT the slab"!


I really like the idea of collecting, buying, and selling raw coins. For one thing, I do like to look at the coin with only air between it and my eye.

But I do have some coins I am going to sell, and I'm concerned that a potential buyer might be unsure about their condition. A photo can be misleading, and a buyer might want some kind of confirmation that the coin is what it appears to be.

In other words, how can I let a buyer feel confident about the true quality of a raw coin?
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 Posted 07/05/2006  10:44 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add ziggy29 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
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Originally posted by Diane
In other words, how can I let a buyer feel confident about the true quality of a raw coin?

It's really hard. Sometimes a good reputation and really good images can help, but for the most part, "raw" will often be viewed as "problem coin" or "something is being hidden."

It's not always fair or accurate, but it's easy to understand why buyers would defensively react that way.
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