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Mint Debunks Fake Toonies Myth

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 Posted 04/24/2010  09:27 am Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add laconic to your friends list Get a Link to this Message Number of Subscribers
Long story short: there are fake toonies going around (why? Save TTC fares maybe?). The media reported the 'tell' is that the Queen on the fakes has a larger head and does not have a crown. The mint had to remind people that the Queen has not had a crown since 2003. Pretty sad.


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TORONTO - The Royal Canadian Mint wants Canadians to know that the Queen does in fact have two faces.

The mint issued a statement this week saying although some toonies appear to have a different portrait of the Queen on them, that doesn't necessarily mean they are funny money.

The confusion appears to stem from a recent media report in Toronto that some fake toonies were circulating in the city.

The report said there were several ways to tell a fake coin from the real thing but pointed out that on the fakes, the Queen is not wearing her crown and her head appears larger than in older $2 coins.

Alex Reeves, communications manager for the mint, said that may have caused some people to suspect that any large-headed, crownless Queen signalled a fake.

"The comment was made that the large, uncrowned portrait was a fake coin and the smaller effigy was a genuine coin," Reeves said in an interview from Ottawa on Friday.



"That led people to believe that all coins with the large effigy were not genuine."

After receiving a number of inquiries from the public, the mint went as far as issuing a statement on the matter.

"Since 1996, Canadian two-dollar circulation coins have been produced with two different images of the Queen: a smaller crowned portrait (from 1996 to 2002) and a larger uncrowned portrait introduced in 2003 to update the image of Her Majesty on all Canadian coinage," it said.

"This last effigy has appeared on all Canadian circulation coins (one-cent, five-cent, 10-cent, 25-cent, 50-cent, one-dollar and two-dollar denominations) produced since June 2003."

"All circulation coins bearing these effigies are genuine and are to be accepted as legal tender in Canada," the statement said.

Reeves said Canadians should rest assured that the country's coinage system is "very secure and of a very high quality."

"Coin counterfeiting is extremely, extremely rare. It's very difficult to do. It's very labour-intensive -- it requires a great deal of expertise," he said.

"There's some real reasons why you don't see counterfeit coins in general. It's something that's very hard to do and that doesn't really happen to the same extent that bank notes are reproduced for counterfeit purposes."

He added that anyone with questions about currency can check the mint's website at www.mint.ca.



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 Posted 04/24/2010  09:49 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add 1945V to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Well actually in 2003, all Canadian coins exist in both varieties: crowned and uncrowned effigy.
The crown change took place in the middle of 2003.

I have two different 2003 toonies in my album.
1) one with a crowned queen
2) one with an uncrowned queen.
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 Posted 04/24/2010  10:13 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add t_y to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
In 2005 the RCMP busted the "Montreal Mint", a medal shop that was minting twoonies (dated 2004 and 2005)

These fakes are lightly struck, weight less that 7g (variable). the core is easy to pop out and off course, there are many differences in the devices.

The fakes were distributed in Toronto, Ottawa and Montreal. The last I saw circulating was in 2007
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 Posted 04/25/2010  09:45 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Dollar1948 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Man o man..I dont know how this slipped by me.
I just checked my collection, and I'm missing both versions for the 50cent, 1 and 2 dollar as well.
Are we certain both versions were released for circulation, or were only some of them in sets.
regardless, I got to get them, it will just gnaw away at me until I get this accomplished.
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04/25/2010 09:46 am
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1 and 2 dollar coins were issued for ciculation in both crowned and uncrowned versions in 2003.No circulation 50 cents were issued,only collector coins in rolls and sets,crowned and uncrowned,though I believe one version comes with W mintmark only.
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 Posted 04/25/2010  10:10 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add laconic to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Hey Dollar. I went through the same thing with modern cents, thinking I had them all then discovering the P and WP varieties. Same for the 2006 toonie, discovering 4 circulation varieties. Tough to keep up!

For 2003:
1cent no P crowned circulation
1cent P crowned circulation
1cent no P no crown circulation
1cent P no crown circulation
1cent WP no crown non-circulation

5cent P crowned circulation
5cent P uncrowned circulation
5cent WP uncrowned non-circulation

10cent P crowned circulation
10cent P uncrowned circulation
10cent WP uncrowned non-circulation

25cent P crowned circulation
25cent P uncrowned circulation
25cent WP uncrowned non-circulation

Besides the 2002, coronation commemorative, no 50cents were issued for circulation in 2002 & 2003; however:
50cent P crowned non-circulation
50cent WP uncrowned non-circulation

dollar crowned circulation
dollar uncrowned circulation
dollar W uncrowned non-circulation

2003 crowned circulation
2003 uncrowned circulation
2003 W uncrowned non-circulation




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 Posted 04/25/2010  10:31 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Dollar1948 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
My o my, things just got a little more complicated with the WP mint mark.
Thanks for the recap Iaconic, I'm no longer in panic mode, but am now looking forward to nailing these down...at least it wont be an expensive endeavour.
Im thinking its probably best to buy the complete WP proof like set then trying to find them individually.
Thanks again
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04/25/2010 10:32 am
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 Posted 04/25/2010  10:37 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add t_y to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Twoonies:

2003 diademed effigy - circulation
2003 diademed effigy - PL
2003 diademed effigy - specimen
2003 diademed effigy - proof

2003 uncrowned effigy - circulation
2003 uncrowned effigy - PL W mintmarked
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 Posted 04/25/2010  10:49 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Libertad to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
The 50 cent piece from 2002 has a sort of transition face unique to the coin. It doesn't have her Madison Ave or her Coronation Street look. It's right in the middle.

Anyways, it's pretty sad that anyone would confuse her face. When I saw the title for the thread I had a feeling that those "Lynx" toonies would be debunked.. Not yet, eh..
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 Posted 04/25/2010  10:50 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Libertad to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
side note: wouldn't it be easier to fake loonies, seeing as you only need one metal and fewer processes?
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Yeah but manufacturing cost for low quantities of both fakes is about 60-70 cents each according to my back of napkin calculations including materials and overhead.

So forging a loonie is worth 40 cents and forging a toonie about 1.40 in profit for the same amount of effort.

Which would you do?
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