| Author |
 Replies: 27 / Views: 3,838 |
|
Rest in Peace
United States
4849 Posts |
|
|
|
|
Pillar of the Community
United States
4846 Posts |
that is pretty weird too, a swastika. some one must really want to get a massage around..... sad and horrible
|
|
Valued Member
United States
161 Posts |
asking price seems overly optimistic, imo.
|
|
Pillar of the Community
United States
4846 Posts |
|
|
Pillar of the Community
United States
968 Posts |
It may have been some kid doing that. Drawing a swastika is like swearing or drawing crude naked pictures, in other words done just for the shock value without any real meaning behind it. When I was a kid I knew the Nazis were bad and the swastika was a bad symbol, but it wasn't until my later teens that I started to really understand at an emotional level what they did and what they mean to people.
Anyway, I think the seller is overly optimistic. That coin is probably in the $1000-1500 range without the damage. I could probably live with the coin if it had big nicks or scratches that were unintentional (though obviously at a discount price), but one with graffiti...especially offensive graffiti is nearly worthless to me.
|
|
Pillar of the Community
United States
4846 Posts |
this is a quote from the description:
Values at $1350.00 in XF. So I'll put the price at $1000.00 and leave it open for offers. (I don't expect to get a 4 digit price for this coin, I'm starting it high since I don't know what to ask for, I will take all offers seriously) Current offer to beat is $100
Edited by Adam_E
04/25/2010 12:20 am
|
|
Rest in Peace
 United States
4849 Posts |
$100 is optimistic too unfortunately for a coin this far gone. Of course, if he sent it to ANACS or NGC, he might get an XF details slab...
|
|
Pillar of the Community
United States
2734 Posts |
I wonder if that was a soldier's pocket piece during WWII?  The soldier could well have been born in 1923, the same year on the Quarter. Notice that the swastika's sauvastika's arms go in the reverse direction of the swastika symbol that the Nazis used! The arms rotate counter-clockwise, whereas the Nazi swastika arms rotate clockwise. Instead of looking like "SS", it looks like " 22". Reversing the Nazi swastika could very well have been an anti-Nazi sentiment. This was back in the days before the 'circle-and-slash' was drawn over a symbol to express opposition. This could have been intended that in case the soldier was killed, a Nazi soldier would pull the Quarter out of the soldier's pocket and see a sauvastika (reverse of the swastika)! A 'last act of defiance'! Edited by DNA
04/25/2010 10:59 am
|
|
Pillar of the Community
United States
2661 Posts |
Quote:
When I was a kid I knew the Nazis were bad and the swastika was a bad symbol Yes what was done to this coin is uncalled for. And yes the swastika, as used by Nazis became a world wide symbol of hatred and evil. But before you pass judgement on the swastika as a whole read the link below. I am not in any way promoting the symbol, just bringing to light the 3000 year old history of it that seems to be lost to most people since the horrific travesties committed by the evil men who used it in WWII Europe. http://history1900s.about.com/cs/sw...ahistory.htm |
|
Pillar of the Community
United States
1934 Posts |
The "WH" probably stands for "Wehrmacht."
"Before the rise of the NSDAP, the term Wehrmacht was used in a generic sense to describe armed forces of any nation, being utilized as the "home defense" version of the more general Streitmacht."
The notching may have been an attempt to create a likeness of the symbol of the German eagle.
That's my platform this morning which does beg the question why the Swastika is backwards.
One theory about the Swastika is this:
Hitler got frustrated and angry with his Persian (spiritual)mentor and reversed the sacred symbol out of spite.
I wouldnt take that coin for free or anything else.
Edited by j_h_s
04/25/2010 08:27 am
|
|
Pillar of the Community
United States
2734 Posts |
Thank you Tim Stroud, not just for the link but for pointing out that the swastika symbol itself was a positive symbol for several millenia (in many cultures worldwide), before it was appropriated (and unfortunately turned into a 'symbol of evil' in the process) by Adolf Hitler. Quote:
From Tim's Link: Some cultures in the past had
differentiated between the clockwise swastika and the counter-clockwise
sauvastika. In these cultures the swastika symbolized health and life
while the sauvastika took on a mystical meaning of bad-luck or misfortune. Hitler certainly knew of this when he picked the clockwise swastika. What better expression of contempt for Hitler than to carve the counter-clockwise sauvastika into your pocket piece? Hitler himself would have easily recognized that message! (from our modern viewpoint, this also shows contempt for a high-grade 1923 Standing Liberty quarter, but in the WWII era this was a common date coin, and only BU examples would have been worth significantly more than face value) As for the "Wehrmacht" theory, I don't think that a German soldier would have dared to carve a counter-clockwise sauvastika on their pocket piece. They probably would have been shot for treason! I don't think that anyone would have carved this coin in this manner in the modern era. I think that even a modern 'neo-Nazi' would recognize that a 1923 S.L.Q. would be of some value, and most all of them would at least know in which direction the swastika is supposed to go! I think the "W H" is the (U.S.) soldier's initials. Edited by DNA
04/25/2010 11:11 am
|
|
Moderator
 United States
23522 Posts |
I realize we're walking a line with this thread - try to keep it about the coin and not about the symbol, guys. Or would you rather I put this in General Discussion so we can make it about the symbol? No harm, no foul either way, but this forum is about coins.
|
|
Pillar of the Community
United States
4846 Posts |
 lets keep it on coins  WHO WOULD DO SUCH A THINK TO THAT POOR DEFENCELESS LITTLE COIN!?!?!?!?!? Edited by Adam_E
04/25/2010 11:21 am
|
|
Pillar of the Community
United States
2734 Posts |
I do think that this coin is a piece of true history, not just some random act of vandalism. Posting theories about why I think that this coin was a U.S. soldier's pocket piece does require explanations of the history and context of the symbol carved on the coin. You have a good point, SuperDave, and I couldn't object toomuch if you moved this topic, but we are clearly discussing a specific 1923 Standing Liberty quarter in this thread. Thanks, DNA |
|
Moderator
United States
23522 Posts |
Nicely said, DNA, as usual. I agree with your theory, and considered your post to be quite on-topic for this specific coin. I wonder if it was originally notched to be inset into something?
|
|
Rest in Peace
United States
2668 Posts |
It's graffiti.
Some people say graffiti is art.
|
| |
Replies: 27 / Views: 3,838 |
Posted 04/25/2010 12:13 am
