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Pillar of the Community
Luxembourg
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Hello, Sometimes I stumble at ebay on auctions where the seller refuses to send the items outside the USA. As I am mostly interested into French coins, I was wondering why a seller accepts lower prices by excluding potentially interested buyers. I understand it is adventurous sending to some countries, but you can explicitly exclude them. I was wondering what could be the reasons to refuse sending to foreign countries and accepting lower results?
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Moderator
 United States
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For me, as a seller, it's because tracking and insurance are almost impossible when a coin leaves the USA's borders. Lower-value stuff is fine, but I'm hesitant to sell a $US500 coin to someone with no way of proving they ever got it.
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Valued Member
United States
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There's that. Then there's the fact that trying to get something through customs can be hit or miss in a lot of countries. The potential for loss with no recourse is the biggest problem I have with shipping out of country, though.
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Pillar of the Community
United Kingdom
575 Posts |
In UK we have got international signed for postal service.I can not see any problem with shipping coins around the world.All insured and trackable.Cost around 10$.
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Moderator
 United States
23522 Posts |
Quote: In UK we have got international signed for postal service.I can not see any problem with shipping coins around the world.All insured and trackable.Cost around 10$.
Not once it passes the border of another country. Then it's subject to whatever that country feels like doing with it.
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 Australia
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I can think of a few more reasons why US sellers only ship to the US. Language difficulties: allowing people from other countries to bid increases the likelihood that the winning bidder will have a limited grasp of English. Mistranslation or miscommunication can easily cause a transaction to go south in a hurry. That's a hassle some people would rather not have to deal with. Shipping costs: the seller would have to research how much they should charge to send stuff overseas, and include all that info in their listing. International Laws: some countries forbid the sale of certain items which are legal on US ebay. ebay France, for instance, forbids the selling of anything with a swastika on it, including genuine Nazi-era German coins and artifacts. ebay Canada forbids the listing of repro Canadian coins, whether they're marked "COPY" or not. If someone in France or Canada can see your auction of such items, they can report it to their local ebay and get your auction pulled. Far safer to make it hard for them to find your items in the first place. Laziness or unawareness: Some people simply don't know that changing the "ships to" country can make a difference, or even that people in other countries might want to bid on their coins. I understand that "ships to USA Only" is the default setting on US ebay. Some people are happy to ship overseas but haven't figured out how to adjust the settings for the listing to change it. If you manage to find one of their listings anyway and actually asked them, they'd say "Yes, we'll certainly ship overseas". But you can't easily tell the difference between such people and people who are genuinely hostile to the idea, because their listings look the same, and they're equally invisible if you run a "show only available to my country" search. Lack of Paypal protection: Paypal offers very little seller protection to stuff sent outside a very restricted list of countries, and acceptance of Paypal is now mandatory on ebay; sellers aren't allowed to say "No ebay accepted from countries X, Y, Z" anymore. For example Bobby, the owner of this forum, has a very long list of "excluded countries" he won't ship to, most of which I believe are excluded for this very reason. Other sellers, on discovering this flaw with Paypal, feel it's easier and safer to simply stick with USA sellers only.
Don't say "infinitely" when you mean "very"; otherwise, you'll have no word left when you want to talk about something really infinite. - C. S. Lewis
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Pillar of the Community
United States
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My part is that filling out the custom form, going to the post office, and wait in line only to find out I need to pay more for postage. I got burned several times because ebay shipping calculator simply don't work properly. Smaller item I have sold may been given as charity to some foreign buyer.
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Pillar of the Community
United States
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I just sent 2 Russian Mint Sets overseas and the postage was higher than the coins.There is NO receipt authorization available and had to mark them as 'Books' or they would have been stolen.That's why.
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Pillar of the Community
United Kingdom
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Thats the example of US auction only.Took me ages to call my friends in US to organize the delivery but was totaly worth it and postage was around 70 cents.  By the way-cost of any custom charges are up to buyer.Always been.
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Pillar of the Community
 Luxembourg
588 Posts |
Hi everyone, Thanks for your thoughts and experiences so far. I have so far bought many coins from several countries, including USA with only very few low price coins never reaching me and no bad surprise from the States so far. I understand it is not easy to figure out the postage for all countries, but if asked by someone, why refuse? It's not even sure he will win the auction, but he will very probably do his contribution to a higher price. I have bought from ebay and from professional dealers outside ebay - all of them have found a solution for international shipping. That's just my thought.
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Pillar of the Community
Canada
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I actually suffer the same "no ship" envy and I live in Canada where we actually share an electronic delivery confirmation service with the US.... for example, you can input a Canadian postal tracking code on either the USPS.COM or CANADAPOST.CA website and get the results. It works the same way in reverse with a trackable US number. I just pass it by and figure that's one less bid or whatever but I think it stems from sellers not being informed.
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Pillar of the Community
United States
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Sure.There is not a problem with sending stuff to Canada(even though they talk funny) but other countries are a problem. Not saying that it isn't possible,just the hoops that BIG sellers have to jump through they feel that 300,000,000 people are enough I guess.I say, I would send anything under 50 bucks.. By the way Vald. Interesting coin.Cheers
Edited by Halfwitty 05/02/2010 5:05 pm
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Pillar of the Community
United States
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I think all of these have been mentioned, but for me personally it's: 1) The inability to ALWAYS track the items once they leave the USA 2) The extra custom forms required by the post office. My time is valuable, and in alot of instances more valuable than the extra money I would make on an online auction where I offer shipping outside of the USA. 3) The lack of Paypal protection outside the USA...afterall this is the required payment on ebay sales 4) Not being familiar with all the rules and regulations of each individual country as far as what can be shipped there, what needs to be documented, what additional forms are needed with the shipment, etc In my ebay auctions, I make it clear that I do not ship outside the USA. In fact, I will not even offer the option of allowing a bidder outside the USA to win the auction and pay me, but have me ship it to a friend or relative here in the USA (with that friend or relative shipping it to the person overseas). What's strange to me is how often I get people asking me to ship outside the USA - are they not reading the auction description? Or do they think I will somehow change my mind and decide to go ahead and take the risks (btw, the answer is NO). It's both a personal and business decision for me not to sell outside of the USA. I would hope that people outside of the USA would understand some of the concerns and potential issues that us sellers have.
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Bedrock of the Community
United States
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Quote: For me, as a seller, it's because tracking and insurance are almost impossible when a coin leaves the USA's borders. Lower-value stuff is fine, but I'm hesitant to sell a $US500 coin to someone with no way of proving they ever got it.
Exactly! To me it's not worth the risk when I can find a buyer in the US. I've had some HORRIBLE experiences shipping outside the USA in the past, I've been absolutely burned in a few different ways. The scars will never heal....but my lesson has been learned. LOL
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Pillar of the Community
United States
1523 Posts |
Has anyone started a thread about the terrors of shipping overseas? I would love to see it if so. I have only sent a couple of things but have bought a few and they still haven't arrived after 2 weeks.
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Pillar of the Community
Canada
598 Posts |
I know this thread is about the reluctance of some sellers to ship outside the U.S. But, I've also noticed the same for buyers from the U.S. I've bought coins from foreign(?) countries that would have done way better price wise had they been sold in the U.S. This limiting of competition on international items is fine with me, and I'm often surprised at the speedy delivery(often with signature required), at such an inexpensive shipping rate. eg: items from Thailand & Phillipines with delivery confirmation for approx $4.50us.  ... and on a side note... there are items for sale on this forum that U.S. ship only. I can think of one instance where I thought 'tis a pity... well, something like that anyway  . But, I ain't gonna bother with trying to change the seller's mind, they've got their reasons and I have personally experienced making an international postal claim... It took 18 months and many documents and lotsa time and research, but I finally got my 60 bucks! 
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