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25˘ 2007-D Utah -Die Shift

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 Posted 05/06/2010  10:11 am Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add La loutre to your friends list Get a Link to this Message Number of Subscribers
Here's a recent find, a 25˘ 2007D Utah with what I believe to be doubling caused by a die shift.
Found this one in circulation in the province o Quebec, Canada.

25˘-2007-D-Utah--Die-Shift
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 Posted 05/06/2010  7:39 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add deanosan1 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Looks great. Sharp eye there.
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That looks like Die Deterioration Doubling to me. Worth a quarter here, and about a quarter up in Canada.

Even though on of you has been here a while, to the forum you both!

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What did you use to get that nice, up close picture?
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Thanks for the welcome!
I tought about die shift because all the doublings are going the same direction, and the marks are clear. Die Deterioration marks are usually more "rough", not as well-defined, and they can often be seen going in different directions.

For the pictures, it requires more patience than material: I put my magnifying glass (usually my 10X, but it works fine with my 3X and 16X as well) right in front of my camera lens (which is set on "macro" mode", without the flash). For the rest, make sure you have enough light, and that you don't move too much!
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Hi and Welcome,

This is the effect of Die Deterioration. The coin was struck by a worn die and this is a very normal appearance of it. I am not sure what is meant by die shift but what is seen on this coin is visible on billions of of quarter dollars.

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Bill
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I think what many who use the term "die shift"
are trying to say, is that they may think that either
the obv. or rev. die somehow may move during the strike thus
causing what may look like a shift of the devices on the coin.
Just a thought. Oh my, I had a thought ! Guess I'm not too senile
after all
Could be possible in theory ? "deteriorated rattlin die"
Just what we need, another phrase.
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Indian1, you're not senile! Or if you are, I am too, because what you wrote makes big sense to me!

That's what I meant by writing "all the doublings are going the same direction, and the marks are clear".
We came to make that distinction, I'll try to explain the difference we make the best I can. Let me know if it makes sense to you or not.

Die Deterioration, like its name tell, is a deterioration of parts of the die, and will leave marks like #11 of this list http://www.coinsandcanada.com/coins...arieties.php
The doublings look rough, irregular, and will more likely go in different directions.

Die shift marks will be left by a loose die. The strike will be made as usual, but the loose die will twist under the high pressure. Then, as soon as the pressure is released, the twisted die will "shift" back to normal, leaving a doubling effect on some element, like #14 of the above list.

That's why I think the doublings on my coin are the result of a die shift: pretty much everything you see in the picture I shown is doubled, the marks are pretty sharp and always going towards the right.


Most of the coins of the list above are canadian, but there's still two US coins:
#3 Cuds is illustrated by a 5˘ 1981P;
#23 Die damage shows a 1˘ 1985.
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