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Where To Buy 1861 $20 MS-60 Gold Liberty?

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 Posted 05/08/2010  12:21 am Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add wolverine23 to your friends list Get a Link to this Message Number of Subscribers
Hi folks, I'm new to collecting and I would like to buy an 1861 $20 MS60 gold Liberty but I haven't been able to find one for sale. I found an AU55 but really want an MS60 (MS61 would cost more than I'm willing to pay). Any idea where I can find one? I used the filtered search engine from this site but couldn't find an MS60. (I am after 1861 because it's the cheapest Civil War date.) In comic book collecting there are 3 large auction/consignment houses where one can find most anything. Is it a similar situation for coins? (I did find Heritage Auction but couldn't find an MS60.)

Also, how accurate is numismedia.com for something like this? It lists it as $3,560; is that what I should expect to pay in reality?

Any help would be greatly appreciated.
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 Posted 05/08/2010  12:31 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add wheatguy to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
A couple of quick words of advice: You mention that you are a new collector and do not know very much about coins. So I suggest you do a bit of research and study up a bit more on coins before potentially making a $1000+ purchase. It is very easy to get scammed nowadays, and a bit of knowledge on the series will go a very long way.

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 Posted 05/08/2010  01:00 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Jaobler to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Hello Wolverine, welcome to the forum!
The 1861 double eagle may be the most common Civil War date but the Numismedia value for an MS-60 coin is actually at the lower end of the price spectrum based on recent auction sales. IMO you should only consider certified examples graded by PCGS, NGC, or ANACS. Several MS-60 coins in NGC holders have sold in the $3450 to $5750 price range in the last couple years. Some of those were shipwreck coins salvaged from the SS Republic. You can cut the cost to $2000 - $2500 if you are willing to "settle" for a lightly-circulated coin in AU-55 or AU-58. A nice AU can actually look better than an MS-60. I would recommend you sign up for a free Heritage membership which will give you access to their archives for auction sales. It's very useful for pricing research.

Good luck!
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 Posted 05/08/2010  10:03 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add TDColl to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I agree with what's already been said: take your time with this purchase; lower MS grade coins are often very marked up and unattractive; higher AU may yield a more eye appealing as well as wallet appealing coin. look at lots of images on Heritage, visit large shows if you can and examine as many examples as possible before buying. And I also agree with buying a certifed coin, since there are many fakes and doctored coins out there (a CAC sticker wouldn't hurt either, as John Albanese has the best reputation for spotting doctored gold).
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 Posted 05/08/2010  11:38 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add jfransch to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I agree with jaobler, IMHO most $20 gold pieces certified AU58 have better eye appeal than those certified MS60. Seems the low end MS coins are problem coins while high end AU coins just have slight wear.
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 Posted 05/08/2010  12:08 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add 3stooges to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Definitely stick with a PCGS, NGC or ANACS certified coin here. The MS-60 might not be much less expensive than a nicer MS-61. As others have noted, an attractive AU-55 or AU-58 might be the best value of all.
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 Posted 05/08/2010  6:34 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add wolverine23 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Thanks to everybody for your insight and advice. Are there a couple big online sites besides Heritage that have lots of coins for sale (either their own inventory or pieces on consignment) or big coin auctions?
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