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Questions About Die Clashes

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first the background.
i dont know if its premissible to reference another CCF member by name, however someone on here posted a coin earlier this month. I posted what I believe to be an matching coin (2.3.10). I am reposting my pictures here. in any case - both posts seem to have the general opinion of a die clash. my questions is, do several (or many) coins receive the same die clash. I was of the belief that a clash, occurs, when a coin receives the image of the opposite side of the coin.

COOP posted an overlay (as usual - very informative), to both threads. I do not see that the reverse designs line up properly to create the clash. if these two coins are in fact matching, how many - potentially - could there be out there with matching "clashes" thanks.

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The clash marks are originally created on the die, not the coin. It occurs when two dies strike each other with no planchet to separate them. Design details are then transferred to the opposing die and the clashes are then present on every coin struck after the clash incident until the dies are taken out of service and either polished or retired. You can have multiple clashes with a small spread on a coin, the most prevalent multiple clashes can be found on Morgan dollars.
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When there is a die clash, there is no coin in between the dies. Therefore the image or in some cases, images transfer to the other die itself. These images will transfer to every coin minted after that until either the clash finally wears itself back down, or it gets polished off.

At least that's the way I understand it. As far as how many? Depends on how many are minted before the polishing or the wear takes place I would assume.

As far as mentioning another member, I would think it is ok if you are just referencing a thread or a similar coin. I don't think anyone would have a problem with that.
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Die cracks, chips, breaks, clashes, over and over on dies. When we say a die crack is through a certain letter as a marker you need to look to see if it is exactly the same. Sometimes they are matching because they are from the same die. Other times they match because they experienced the same things over and over. Here is an example:
A marker was a die scratch between the EPU on a Lincoln Cent.
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Both have the same marker, but one is slightly lower. Probably from different dies. But the cleanings can be the same to cover a clash on both different dies. So because of the same things happening over and over, the same appearance may happen on coins from different years or they could be a match for the same die. So it can happen and meaning nothing or mean everything. A closer look sometimes is needed.

I would to see a wider view of the reverse of this coin coin. Somewhere between the two shots provided. Not too close and not too far away.
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