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I am considering taking a crack at this coin...I have mixed feelings about the seller and their pricing, but its nice. Do you think it may have been lightly cleaned on the reverse? The color looks...different. I am aware of a very slight scratch through the shield but that is not of importance to me as long as the coin is otherwise problem free. I am also not interested in it unless I'd be interested in keeping it in my type set.

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dl...=p2761.l1259

Anyhow, what do you think?
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Most of this seller's raw offerings look cleaned or messed with to me, but this one is actually very nice. Lots of major eye appeal! The asking price is a tad high for a raw AU Half Dime imo, but if he is willing to come down a bit, I'd go for it.

You've been purchasing a lot of beautiful type coins, and I'm itchin to see them in a 7070

offtopic, what kind of stuff do you play on the piano? I started playing on my church worship team several months ago, so it's been my other major hobby/passion as of late. I'm trying to get my wife to sing, but no go as of yet..lol.
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Oh wow, that is awesome! I used to (try to) play harder classical pieces like the Chopin Scherzos, but unfortunately I now have tendonitis, so I can't any more. When I stopped I was pretty close to completing Scherzo #3....its a really dramatic and amazing piece.

I mostly play the hymns for church now, and some moderate level classical pieces like tocatta and fugue in D minor.

I was thinking around the $100 ballpark, maybe I can get him to do it over paypal gift....
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By the way, I think I will take you up on the type set photos!
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My opinion is that most of this seller's wares are overpriced. I believe there is a strong likelihood that this coin has been cleaned, and retoned. I don't think I would offer AU money for it.
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He also previously blocked me for making too many 'low' offers (in reality the asking prices on some of these coins were absurd), so that kind of sours my opinion of him. I was unblocked though.
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Those photos have been leaned on so heavily in postprocessing that I'm not going to render an opinion of the coin - chances are that's not what it actually looks like. You did notice the big scratch on the obverse from the leg through the shield, right?
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Yeah I noticed the scratch, but I'm thinking its not that big in hand since its a small coin.

Can I ask what specifically makes you think that about the photos though? I have bought stuff from this seller before and had some of them come out a bit different than the pics, so I wouldn't doubt it.
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Can I ask what specifically makes you think that about the photos though?


The granularity of the images. It's especially noticeable at 3:00 on the reverse - that's what oversharpening looks like. It jumped out at me. Innocent, perhaps - I sharpen many of my own images - but it's also a technique to mask less-innocent postprocessing work when you do it last instead of first.
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I kind of see what you mean, could you link me to some more examples of it?
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I kind of see what you mean, could you link me to some more examples of it?


Better yet - come morning, I'll oversharpen some of my own images and post before/afters.
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Sounds like a plan
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[quote]Oh wow, that is awesome! I used to (try to) play harder classical pieces like the Chopin Scherzos, but unfortunately I now have tendonitis, so I can't any more. When I stopped I was pretty close to completing Scherzo #3....its a really dramatic and amazing piece.

I mostly play the hymns for church now, and some moderate level classical pieces like tocatta and fugue in D minor.

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Sweet! that's hardcore! That's too bad about the tendonitus. The only thing classical that I can play is Clare de lune. Even though I've taken lessons for years, I'm slow at reading, and mostly rely on my ear and chord knowlege. I'm working on some jazz improvisational techniques too, and trying to learn the dynamics of playing in a band....lots of fun!

I see what folks are saying about the coin, but it still has a lot of remaining luster and nice color. Probably cleaned or dipped at one point, but not too harshly or the luster would have been stripped. I never really considered photo reprocessing, so I'm learning something new. Good point!
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Before and Afters, original on top, and some have been overdone a little more than others:

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Now. Here's what you'll see in a typical ebay photograph:

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Here's what it'll look like in-hand:

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Yeah no surprise, seen that happen a lot before. I see the difference now though, and I will certainly be on the look out for grainy photos. It doesn't always mean that the coin has been cleaned though, right? I'm just guessing youre saying that it can be used to hide cleanings and the like?
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Yeah no surprise, seen that happen a lot before. I see the difference now though, and I will certainly be on the look out for grainy photos. It doesn't always mean that the coin has been cleaned though, right? I'm just guessing youre saying that it can be used to hide cleanings and the like?


Exactly. Not necessarily malicious, either.

I use stuff like this more as a red flag, an indicator that I need to look at the coin and the seller more closely. Arbitrary sharpening is indicative of someone who doesn't want to get too deep into things and actually, you know, improve their skills. If they're missing such obvious stuff in their photography, what are they missing about the coin?
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