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Questions To Ask If Unsure If Coin Is Fake..

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Ok guys you here lots of talk about the fakes that are going around..Some are very hard to tell if you do not have proper knowledge.
So now comes what you here most often ask questions...# 1 What is the weight..This has to be the worst question ever.and heres why.Anybody who knowingly sells fakes WILL HAVE A BOOK ON WEIGHTS...I asked this of a few people and the answers were always the same..Im not sure ...I dont have scale...It feels the same as the other one I have....blah blah blah..

So what is the right question to ask....? How about ....The pic is blurry , can you please send me a more clear pic ? or Would you send it for certification and I will pay if it comes back real ..? If the person says it weighs this much . May I have a pic of the coin on the scale ? Or the guy with very low feedback has nothing but RARE coins with bad pics, AVOID...
Any other good ideas to share folks, let us have them, there are alot of rotten sellers and anything we can do to help others helps us aswell.... peace out folks
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There was a recent thread (here) about the ebay sale (and authenticity) of an 09 S VDB.

When I looked at the last 30 sales of the seller, I wondered where the seller suddenly came up with an 09 SVDB when the majority of those recent 30 sales were primarily coins with values of less than ten dollars.

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If a seller is knowingly selling fakes, no amount of questions in the world are going to work because they are already trying to deceive.

But there are also sellers who get ahold of a fake and don't realize it. If you ask questions of them, they may discover that their coin is fake and pull the auction. I have seen that happen.
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I wondered where the seller suddenly came up with an 09 SVDB when the majority of those recent 30 sales were primarily coins with values of less than ten dollars.
You expected him to have a dozen S VDBs? You may be right, but at the same time, that may reflect a real-life collection that is being liquidated. And I certainly would save the good stuff until the end to sell so that you have learned the tips and tricks to maximize your money (and you have developed an ebay following).
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It sure might send up a red flag , but one must not judge by that alone.. It is possible that he was holding on to it , and just waiting to sell it... Did you ask any questions?
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I agree with specksnyder. If I was a new ebay seller, I would like to build up some positive feedback before I sold a 1909-S VDB in order to get the most money for it. On the other hand, I would never try to sell that coin raw.
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On the other hand, I would never try to sell that coin raw.


Yeah, but you have a functioning brain, which sets you above half of all ebay sellers.
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Yeah, I remember reading a thread when I first came here, "if I was a known seller in business for ten years with 10,000+ positive feedback ratings and somebody asked me if the coin was authentic, I'd tell them where to stick it, too!"

I'm paraphrasing, but the education here lead me to ask the question simply and in a straightforward, non-accusatory manner. "Hello! What is the weight of this coin? Thanks! =)"

Correct me if I'm wrong, but if a seller knowingly lies about an item, you won't have any problem under buyer protection, correct? In other words, if this seller had told me 27g, I got the coin home and weighed it as 25g, I could say the item was not as advertised, return it and demand a refund, right?

It gets gray however, if the seller replies that a coin with a strong strike like this one was is 26.5 or even 26g (well within 10%) and I weigh it to find it's 25... that's where some error play comes in...
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I'd still ask the weight question. If the seller regularly deals in coins he should have a scale and I'd be highly suspicious if he claims he didn't. I bought a decent scale for $15 so price shouldn't be an issue.

If you ask and they lie to you (by looking up the weight in a book rather than actually weighing it) then you have a strong case against him and ebay will probably side with you.
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05/20/2010 12:54 pm
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Lots of great points..
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speck; I checked out the seller of that coin...he/she is not new to ebay. it's plausible he/she finally decided to sell their one and only 09 svdb...after a hundred or so sales.

I reckon I'm from a different school where, when in it to make money, I wonder if I sell the chaff or wheat first.


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Personally, I wouldn't buy a rare coin on ebay. As has been said if they are knowingly trying to decieve, no amount of questions are going to work. They will have an answer for everything. This sucks because The nearest shop to me is a 45 minute drive away and I have to plan on stopping by when I have more than one reason to go to town. That being said, I have also taken a chance and found some interesting finds on ebay. I didn't bid on anything for its value, instead it was the interest factor that drove my bid.
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