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Pillar of the Community
United States
3499 Posts |
I have noticed over the years that a lot of dealers like to send off their "junk silver" to be melted. While it is true that some coins are so worn that they are no longer collectible and are truly just hunks of silver, some dealers will buy bulk lots of foreign silver from customers or other sources and throw most in the junk silver (which is slated for shipping to the melter). They do this because they do not think that there is a market for the coins, because they cannot read the coins, and/or they just don't want to bother to sell them as anything other than bullion. It just seems that this can lead to a lot of nice, collectible coins being destroyed. The inverse of this is that it can also rid the markets of a lot of culls and provide silver which can be used for silver bullion coins in the future.
What are your thoughts on this matter?
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Pillar of the Community
United States
3098 Posts |
I think it's foolish to melt it down for silver. Even AG-2 quarters and coins like that are still counted as "quarters" when sold. Even though it's been through a lot, it still has a history behind it. Melting surely makes it prettier, but then destroys the history behind the coin.
I really don't like the idea of melting silver coins down into bars. It's like using one of Picasso's drafts as butcher paper.
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Pillar of the Community
Turkey
870 Posts |
Back in April, I visited a dealer in London who is very experienced in the area (no, not the Coincraft..). At his shop, he showed me a bag full of mostly George VI and George V silver coins, at least of several kilos. I noticed some aUNC florins, even very pretty shillings in them. He told me they are all going for melting. I knids felt sorry for those coins because if he'd let me go through them I am sure I'll find some to buy. (it was right before teh closing tiem and believe me coin shops in London close almost right before midday!!)
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Pillar of the Community
United States
2600 Posts |
My dealer told me just the other day that with the demand for silver right now, most of the "junk" silver is going into investment bags and being resold. Demand has greatly slowed melting. I would guess that when the market slows that melting would become more prevalent, again.
Jim
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Valued Member
United States
323 Posts |
I think it is a shame that they are melted - maybe coins that are in really really bad condition should be, but like someone said, even good coins are melted. me no like
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Moderator
 United States
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I am completely against it!  The main reason why I keep my copper cents and nickels is to prevent their melting. I do not keep them for the potential value. I am most definitely not waiting for the melt ban to be lifted! The only reason to melt them is if the silver is actually needed for another use. There is no reason to "make it prettier" or otherwise "improve" it. Having it in coin form makes it easier to trade as bullion. Known purity, known weight (unless worn, but then you could still weigh them).
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Bedrock of the Community
United States
12437 Posts |
I don't think we will ever see mass melting again like 1980, the rise in popularity of face value bags has negated the need to melt coins into bullion. $100-1000 face bags have become quite popular as an investment vehicle for silver and those bags are usually quite liquid unlike large bars that may have to be assayed if they are not from one of the top bullion companies(Englehard, Sunshine, etc).
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Pillar of the Community
United States
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 Quote: The main reason why I keep my copper cents and nickels is to prevent their melting  I couldn't agree more. Thats one of the main reason I'm "hoarding." I'm keeping them all in coin-safe tubes separated by MM / date. I figure if melting is ever legal they will jump in value once all the hoarders get their stash outta the way. And on the opposite, if melting is never legal... hoarders will still hoard and they will virtually removed from circulation. I may take longer to realize value, seeing as how after the first spike all the hoarders will dump and flood the market, but after that spike it will balance out. Honestly, I am horrified by the thought that people would line up in droves to destroy American history. I am however, not surprised. 
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Moderator
 United States
188770 Posts |
Horrified and not surprised. That sums is up quite well.
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Pillar of the Community
Canada
3692 Posts |
Well, I've thought about it for a few months and I've come to the conclusion that silver coins should not be melted. They are great pieces of history and have value in themselves. They should only be melted if you really really need to pay some important bills. True junk coins could be melted if they're beyond repair/restoration and are just silver slugs without identifiable markings.
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Pillar of the Community
 United States
3499 Posts |
Wow, thanks for all of the responses, everyone! The reason why I have raised this question is due to the fact that so often in the US nice dark side coins are melted by dealers since they don't appreciate them. At times many of these are high-grade coins that are just perceived as not having an immediate market in the area. It seems like "it is all about turn around and making some money." This raises the issue of whether the business of numismatics and bullion has actually resulted in the needless destruction of many coins.
molydeii- I think that I visited Coincraft when I was in London recently (they are across the street from the British Museum, right?) If so, I was just baffled/ appalled by their prices. Never have I seen such sky- high prices on such mediocre common coins.
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Moderator
 United States
188770 Posts |
Quote: They should only be melted if you really really need to pay some important bills. As mentioned above, they could be sold as bullion in that case. There is no need to melt them; one quick search of ebay proves that. 
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Pillar of the Community
Luxembourg
588 Posts |
Coins have been melted down for the precious metal contents since coins exist. Coins have been over-struck with the face of a new ruler or other reasons. Some coins have been minted in high quantities and been melted down for almost the complete production, making them highly sought items. Just to mention the last year of the golden US $20 coins The French issue of 100 francs from 1870 has almost completely been melted down. They have been delivered to Germany to pay for the lost war. This year is also extremely rare and the most expensive French francs coin. Personally I also find it a pity to melt down collectible coins, especially when you don't know what you have. You can destroy historical values. I once saw a large silver lot on ebay containing one French coin alone worth three or four times the price paid by the winning bidder for the whole lot... But the seller refused to send to Europe.
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Pillar of the Community
United States
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As far as US silver coin goes, when do they get sent to the smelter? My local dealer can't keep (junk) silver in stock. I thought most of it just changes hands until it reaches a hoarder like myself, someone is always turning a profit. Who in their right mind would send off a collectible, non-junk silver coin to the smelter?
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Pillar of the Community
Canada
1733 Posts |
ebay is too expensive to sell any real quantity of anything. I've twice saved up till I have a thousand ounces or so and gotten them smelted into kilo bars. I'm getting close to that again as I go through boxes of collections I've picked up in last 6 or seven years. Rolls of silver quarters are about the only exception and then it's break even on spot after fees. Silver dollars sell at a loss after fees (for crappy melt type/damaged ones). Some coins have numismatic value beyond their bullion and some do not. It's that simple. It doesn't bother me in the least to melt coins for their silver, there's a reason they were made of silver in the first place - their metal value. Obviously I collect coins and enjoy it. I just can't get attached to a harshly cleaned worn out half that is only worth melt even in mint state though. Guess I'm not that sentimental.
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Pillar of the Community
Philippines
1156 Posts |
just shows collectors and melters are on opposite ends of the measuring stick, and my feeling here is....uggh! Only way I'll even consider melting is when the Obv and the Rev are almost gone... but then, on second thought, I'll place that coin in an album, titled, "unknown silver coins" 
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