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New acquisitions today... these actually are mine. :D And I'm quite a proud new owner... I'd love your opinions! Thanks! :D I finally got a cc Morgan! y00t!   And I don't know if you can see how pretty this girl is, my pic may not do her justice:   I am excited, but PLEASE give it to me straight. =) |
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The first Morgan is a VF-30 and the second would come in around MS-62,63.Love the toning on the 82.
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I'm going to say F-15 for the 1891-CC and AU-58 for the 1882-S, I see some rub on the hair above the ear and on the eagles breast. Nice coins.
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I have photograde in front of me and also a MS-62 ANACS coin and I beg to differ.The hair above the ear is most definitely MS. The breast feathers are not visible because of the color but on an 82-S are not so defined.The photo of the CC matches exactly with the VF pic in photograde down to the feathers.
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I think the 82-S has some strike weakness on the eagles breast and hair. It looks MS to me so I would say based on the photos MS63. If its seen circulation then AU58. Nice toning.
I think the 91-CC needs better wing detail to get to VF30 but I think it could make VF20.
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05/29/2010 9:58 pm
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I have to agree with echizento on the 82-S Morgan. Photograde isn't a magic answer to grading and strike differences and each coin is different so the best thing to do when grading is to learn how to judge each and every individual coin based on its own merits. Also, the San Fransisco Morgans from 1879-1882 were very well struck with abundant luster, so the 82-S in question should have slightly stronger breast feather detail and a bit more luster in order to achieve an MS grade, IMO. I also do see a bit of rub on the Morgan, but I am still a a new collector when it comes to Morgan dollars. I agree with Jim and Halfwitty on the 91-CC though, VF-20 fits it. Still great and attractive coins!  Edited by wheatguy
05/29/2010 10:00 pm
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The '91-CC looks F15 and lightly cleaned. VF would be liberal on a coin with that amount of wear. It's a nice coin that should re-tone well.
The '82-S seems to be MS with an atypically weak S mint strike on the reverse. I'd guess MS63.
A caution on the staples protruding from the back of those flips! I'd get those coins out of the flips. The CC might benefit from a few months on a wooden windowsill or in an envelope and the S should go in an Air-Tite or at least flatten the staples.
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Wow! Thank you all for weighing in with your great opinions! When I saw a bit of argument, I decided to take some more snaps of the photos to help clear things up. First of all, I'm very glad to hear people grading the cc at VF - I figured it might be a strong F, but I wasn't sure. It's not the nicest Morgan ever, but I'm happy to have a CC here nonetheless! Now, to help with the '82-S - This is probably the nicest Morgan now in the collection. It has AMAZING luster. So strong that the seller labeled the flip MS-65, which I didn't believe for a minute, thus I asked. Luckily, the seller is worse at pricing coins than grading them, so I'm quite a happy guy! I'm no expert - I'm definitely an amateur - but if this coin has seen circulation, I'd be very surprised. Here are some detail photographs to describe a bit of what I'm talking about. It's amazing to me, looking at these, to know they're all the same coin! But they are, I just took them, moving the coin around in relation to the light... It's a pretty coin, and the toning makes it one of my favorites! The hair over the ear from various angles:    The eagle's chest from various angles:    And a GIGANTO THANK YOU to everyone again for assisting in my continuing education! bherring - what are your concerns with the flips? What's wrong with the staples? Is it because they're not airtight this way? And for the cc - why should it go in an envelope or on a wooden windowsill? Thank you! =) |
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an atypically weak S mint strike on the reverse. Strange, from what I've seen and heard most 1879-1882 S mint Morgans are generally well struck. Delaner, the staples sticking out from the 2x2 can lead to accidents, as many rare and valuable coins being ruined by owners later taking them out of the holder. Looking more closely at the pics, I agree with Brad that the 91-CC has been lightly cleaned. He suggested you put them on a windowsill or an envelope to help it retone and look more original. |
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How does putting it in an envelope or on a windowsill help it re-tone? If it sits in the sun, does it "tan"? What about the envelope - this is so interesting! How does that work? Does the paper leach something into it?
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I think the lightly cleaned thing is just the photo.If you look at the quarter,same color.
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While some weak strikes are noted for this year, most of the strikes for the 1882-S are strong. I see no signs of a weak strike on this coin. The additional pictures were helpful, though I still have some concerns with rub on the breast. I also see rub on the left leg and what appears to be rub on the lower edges of the right wing tips. This could just be from the photo, but without the coin in hand it's difficult to say. So I'm going to stick with AU-58.
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...most of the strikes for the 1882-S are strong... That's what I was getting at, most early S mint strikes are very good and the first set of pics didn't bring out the breast feathers. The second set of pics show a good strike. I have no problem going MS63-64 on the '82-S, especially since they are so common at those grades. RE: Staples - When I use 2X2's, I always flatten the staples with smooth-tip, needle nose pliers to keep the prongs on the reverse from scratching anything. Flat-cinch staples accomplish the same thing without pliers. |
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I think its as good as most slabbed MS-63 TPG coins I've seen, |
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AH! I see bherring... so were I to stack it, it might create a problem. I usually don't even staple my 2x2's because I keep the coins in a cool, dry place - this one came sold like this. Maybe it's not a good idea to not staple, but I'll definitely flatten those staples! Thank you!
Indeed -it's a nice-ish, if common coin. But it has been an extremely educational piece for me - thus preparing me greatly for a bigger purchase (if I ever do).
Again, thank you all for your expert opinions!
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