Coin Community Family of Web Sites Join Thousands of Coin, Bullion, & Money Collectors
Join Thousands of Coin, Bullion, & Money Collectors Royal Estate Auctions - $1 Coin AuctionsRoyal Canadian Mint products, Canadian, Polish, American, and world coins and banknotes. Coin, Banknote and Medal Collectors's Online Mall Vancouvers #1 Coin and Paper Money Dealer 300,000 items to help build your collection! Specializing in Modern Numismatics








Username:
Password:
Save Password
Forgot your Password?


This page may contain links that result in small commissions to keep this free site up and running.

Welcome Guest! Registering and/or logging in will remove the anchor (bottom) ads. It's Free!

2009 Cent

To participate in the forum you must log in or register.
Author Previous TopicReplies: 19 / Views: 3,239Next Topic
Page: of 2
Pillar of the Community
Scooby Due's Avatar
United States
4000 Posts
 Posted 06/12/2010  02:26 am Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add Scooby Due to your friends list Get a Link to this Message Number of Subscribers
I was going through a roll of 2009 cents that were sent to me by rikcando from his contest. They are really beautiful!

Found a few with a couple of small die chips on the reverse. And a few with some small die cracks on the obverse.

And this one. Is this struck-thru string or wire or something? It doesn't appear to be PMD. (Notice the small die crack at the bottom of the "RE". Bonus!

2009-Cent
Edited by Scooby Due
06/12/2010 02:28 am
Pillar of the Community
Ugly's Avatar
Canada
1733 Posts
 Posted 06/12/2010  10:27 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Ugly to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I agree not PMD. I doubt we will ever know what was on there. Great find though Scooby.
Pillar of the Community
Scooby Due's Avatar
United States
4000 Posts
 Posted 06/12/2010  11:50 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Scooby Due to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
So are we comfortable with the struck-thru diagnosis? Any estimate on value?
Valued Member
rikcando's Avatar
Canada
287 Posts
 Posted 06/12/2010  11:53 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add rikcando to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Nice find Scooby. I'm glad you are enjoying the roll.

I'm not up on all of the acronyms. Could you please tell me what PMD is. I think if it was a wire ther's be more of a scratch as the wire came off, but as Ugly said, I doubt we will ever know.
Pillar of the Community
Scooby Due's Avatar
United States
4000 Posts
 Posted 06/12/2010  11:56 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Scooby Due to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
PMD is post mint damage. Is it safe to assume struck-thrus on Canadian coins carry about the same value as a US coin?
Pillar of the Community
Ugly's Avatar
Canada
1733 Posts
 Posted 06/12/2010  11:56 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Ugly to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
PMD is post mint damage, which we don't think this is.

Value? There's no serious market for error coins unfortunately so I would just search ebay Canada coins for error and estimate based on finished sales of similar items. Yours being MS is quite nice.
Pillar of the Community
Scooby Due's Avatar
United States
4000 Posts
 Posted 06/12/2010  11:57 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Scooby Due to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Thanks Ugly! Either way, she's going into an airtite!
Edited by Scooby Due
06/12/2010 12:00 pm
Valued Member
rikcando's Avatar
Canada
287 Posts
 Posted 06/12/2010  12:00 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add rikcando to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
As for the die crack, I've not noticed it in any of the ones I've looked at yet, but I am keeping an eye out for it now. I'll let you know if I find any. Was there any pressed through grease in the roll? I have found several of those, or at least what I know as pressed through grease.
Pillar of the Community
Scooby Due's Avatar
United States
4000 Posts
 Posted 06/12/2010  12:05 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Scooby Due to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I found a few where the maple leaf look "hazy" or "mushy" and a couple where the Queen's face looked similar. I don't know if those were grease or not - I'm assuming.

On the die cracks, I found quite a few really small cracks here and there. But also found a couple with multiple (but still small cracks) most connecting and through letters - want to see them?
Valued Member
rikcando's Avatar
Canada
287 Posts
 Posted 06/12/2010  12:11 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add rikcando to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Ok, I have started going through the remains of the box (actually half the box left) and I have found one roll that is head/heads and shows the die crack starting at on end, and more complete at the other end. I found another which has the die crack at one end, and not at the other. This may be attributed to a function of chaos in the manner of gathering them for rolling at the mint, or it may show the complete growth and repair of the crack. More than likely the former.

I accidentally erased a database this morning that I was developing for a project. That's what I get for starting work before my second coffee. It will take me a couple of days to recreate and rebuild it. After that I'll concentrate more on these rolls and let you know what I found.
Pillar of the Community
Scooby Due's Avatar
United States
4000 Posts
 Posted 06/12/2010  12:20 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Scooby Due to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
How do they repair a crack and what would be the diagnostics to determine a repair?
Pillar of the Community
Scooby Due's Avatar
United States
4000 Posts
 Posted 06/12/2010  12:52 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Scooby Due to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Sorry - couldn't resist. I admit it - I'm a crack addict. I love finding them.

I found 3 or 4 of these that have no less than 7 cracks, but took pics of this one because it also shows some MD. There is also a fine crack in the Queen's hair, but I couldn't get a decent shot of it. Looks like a die gouge or chip inside the "G".

2009-Cent
Valued Member
rikcando's Avatar
Canada
287 Posts
 Posted 06/12/2010  3:13 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add rikcando to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I do not konw for certain, but I do believe other industries weld over the small cracks and grind/sand it smooth. I've personally seen this being done on plastic injection molds. It's likely they have methods of repair for small marks like this, but I have been known to be wrong before.

(my daughter is laughing at that last remark)
Valued Member
rikcando's Avatar
Canada
287 Posts
 Posted 06/12/2010  7:36 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add rikcando to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I cannot find any information regarding the Canadian Mint and die repairs. I did find that there is a variety of the US 2005 Minnesota quarter which is missing a tree due to a die repair. There is also a company in Oakland California which provides coin dies, and performs repairs on the same.

I'm still interested in finding any information on Canadian Mint procedures when a die crack is discovered.
Pillar of the Community
Scooby Due's Avatar
United States
4000 Posts
 Posted 06/12/2010  8:16 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Scooby Due to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I'm interested in your findings as well. I thought once they cracked, they were just replaced.
Valued Member
splatto's Avatar
Canada
426 Posts
 Posted 06/27/2010  04:21 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add splatto to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I have a 2007 cent with a similar error that is realized in the first picture in this thread. However it's on the reverse and more central to the design. I'll post a picture of it. I also wondered what could have caused that when I found the coin.
  Previous TopicReplies: 19 / Views: 3,239Next Topic
Page: of 2

To participate in the forum you must log in or register.



    




Disclaimer: While a tremendous amount of effort goes into ensuring the accuracy of the information contained in this site, Coin Community assumes no liability for errors. Copyright 2005 - 2026 Coin Community Family- all rights reserved worldwide. Use of any images or content on this website without prior written permission of Coin Community or the original lender is strictly prohibited.
Contact Us  |  Advertise Here  |  Privacy Policy / Terms of Use

Coin Community Forum © 2005 - 2026 Coin Community Forums
It took 0.34 seconds to rattle this change. Forums