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New Member
Netherlands
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Hi everyone, I want to know how can ý read the dates on the Ilkhanid's coins.Where does the date situated on coin and what the numbers look like? Does anyone help to me? Can you teach me on that coin?  Edited by geyikrali
07/17/2006 3:50 pm
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Forum Kid
Kuwait
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I can read the transcript, but can't figure out the date.
TKC!
BTW welcome to the forum!
TKC!
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Pillar Of The Community
Turkey
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Look who's here  Welcome. |
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Pillar of the Community
United States
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Pillar of the Community
Australia
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Welcome to the CC forum geyikrali.
Sorry I cannot help you but I am sure someone here will be able to assist.
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Rest in Peace
United States
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Welcome to the forum. I'm sure someone here will be able to help you out. Have you tried doing a Google search? Mike |
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Valued Member
Australia
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I can't find any numbers on the coins so I can't help you there, however I did find this website on Ilkhanids. http://mehmeteti.150m.com/ilkhanids/index.htmthekidcollector if you can read the coin do you see any names or titles that might help identify the era. EDIT: I believe the coin is a silver dirham from the reign of Ghazan Mahmud who ruled from 1295-1304 AD or 694-703 AH. I can't find an exact match so I don't know the exact date or where it was minted but I am pretty sure that I was from the time of Ghazan Mahmud as I cannot find coins from other eras who used the same pattern. Edited by grendelfreak
07/18/2006 02:23 am
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New Member
 Netherlands
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thekidcollector,Renal,Daweyne76,bm1947,mike,grendelfreak thanks for your messages.And thanks for this warm welcome..
I know that website grendelfreak, also ý sent a message to them but they haven't returned to me yet.Also ý did more and more resarches on internet by google.But ý couldnt find a website to teach reading scripts on Ilkhanid coins...
Then thekidcollector, can you sent me a message, what do numbers look like and do you know where they are located in?
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Forum Kid
Kuwait
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This is an Example:  This is yours:  Yours is from 1295-1304 AD rules by Ghazan Mahmud. For the date: Islamic coins like that normally have their date the reverse side on which the name is not situated, so I would figure due to your picture it should be on the right picture, and they normally have the date on the topmost or bottom most part of the coin. But I couldn't find it on your coin. TKC! P.S- I have learned arabice for 8 years, doesn't neccessarely mean I am Arab. So I am NOT an ARAB. TKC! |
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As I understand it from looking at a few of those coins on the Ilkhanid site (eg. number UE-1983), the mint and date should be written around the outside, between the star and the circular border; it should say "struck in [name of mint-city] year [year in numerals]". They might also have written out the year in long-form, if the year was short and simple (like seb'mi'at, or 700). If this is the case, then unfortunately, I think the important bits are off the flan on your coin. Numerals on these coins should look much the same as modern Arabic or Persian numerals, though sometimes the "5" took on weird shapes. TKC, if you get stuck reading parts of the coin, don't panic. The Ilkhanids were of Mongol descent and frequently used Mongol scripts on their coins. For example, the three "M"-shaped characters in a vertical line on the reverse are one form of Mongol script, but there's another that superficially looks similar to Arabic. On the example coin I mentioned above (UE-1983), only the Ilkhan's name is in Arabic - the rest of the script on the reverse is in Mongolian. My reference book for Arabic coins is Richard Plant's "Arabic Coins and How to Read Them". An excellent book for an ignorant Westerner like me  to make a start collecting Islamic. Don't say "infinitely" when you mean "very"; otherwise, you'll have no word left when you want to talk about something really infinite. - C. S. Lewis
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New Member
Netherlands
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Thank you for that drawing thekidcollector.I think that ý will indentify the Gazan Mahmut's coins quickly from now..
Sap thanks for your message, ý'm going to try to find this book..
Thanks you everybody thank you for all!!
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New Member
Netherlands
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Hi again...
I want to ask one more thing..
Have the all ruler names on Ilkhanid coins written in Arabic letters? Can we say that? Or are there any examples about rulers name has written in Mongolian letter?
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Moderator
Australia
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I can't say for certain, as Ilkhanid coins are much more variable in style and content than many of the previous dynasties, but I think the name at least will always be in Arabic. After all, most of the population of the Ilkhanate couldn't read Mongolian, but could read Arabic/Persian. No point in advertising yourself if no-one can read the advertisement!  Don't say "infinitely" when you mean "very"; otherwise, you'll have no word left when you want to talk about something really infinite. - C. S. Lewis
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