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Grading A Strike Versus Wear

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 Posted 07/19/2006  2:28 pm Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add swamperbob to your friends list Get a Link to this Message Number of Subscribers
This question came to mind while reading a post on grading a US dollar coin made at New Orleans. That mint was noted for "weakly struck" coins which was always the answer behind WHY the high prices of Uncirculated coins from that mint. I was raised in collecting before the slabbing of coins existed - when cleaning was done routinely and when Uncirculated had only two categories Brilliant and Not.

But recently a lot of third party grading services especially ANACS seem to be grading terribly weak strikes as MS because there is no technical wear even though many details are actually missing on the coin. This means very little when you deal with a seies of coins were strike is consistent but is very meaniful where strike varies greatly year to year or mint to mint. In my favorite series, the Cap and Ray 8Rs, how can you say a coin is uncirculated if the eagle is missing half or more of the details in the feathers? It makes no sense to me but I see it all the time.

This change in grading policy threatens to upset historic pricing policies since many formerly VF or EF valued coins are coming back graded as technical MS-60 or 61 slabbed items. While at the same time a VERY RARE fully struck coin gets an AU58 grade because of a microscopic trace of high point wear. High points that I might add DON'T EVEN EXIST on the MS60 coin. I refuse to pay MS prices for weak strikes becuase the price versus rarity equation used to take rarity of full strikes into question. There are many fewer fully struck 8R coins than there are MS weak strikes.

Different standards need to be applied to different series when it comes to "Full Strike" and MS grades. But that is not done at places like ANACS. In the Spanish American Cob series there is actually no such thing as an MS with a really weak strike. MS cobs are true rarities because the strike was so rerely complete to start with. A cob may be a technical MS but ends up having the market value of the wear level equivalent. Details are the most critical element in establishing value. That is one reason many cob experts object to slabbing cobs. It attributes an incorrect value to the coins being graded. Novice buyers pay for the grade even though they can rarely sell for that amount.

This topic was recently addressed is a series of emails I exchanged with an expert on struck cob coins. The ultimate value inextricably attaches itself to full details. A weak struck AU may be worth far less than a Full Strike VF. That makes more sense to me than a poor strike MS-60 achieving a higher value than a fully struck beautiful AU 58.

I think this recent attachment to "technical wear" and the quest for the elusive MS-70 coin has gone way past where it is a truly useful concept when establishing value. The number of truly UGLY and weakly struck 8R coins pouring out of the grading services is a drag on the collecting community as a whole.

Do other collectors object to this shift in grading standards away from strike quality?
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 Posted 07/19/2006  3:53 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add texasmick to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Upon reading the Coin Collector's Survival Guide, I learned that there was a similar problem with ANACS grading at one time. I believe this was the "old ANACS."

They used a technical, or academic, grading scale to describe level of preservation. They attributed problems with the coin separately. If those problems were not the result of wear/preservation, they did not detract from the technical grade. But this readily leads to a VF without problems being valued higher than an AU with problems.

What most collectors seemed to want is a market-based scale. This would require a net grade be assigned that would take into account more than just the technical level of preservation--the extraordinary weak strike of which you speak seems to fit in this category. This net, or market-based, system would allow a pricing structure whereby a VF is worth less than an AU, which is worth less than an MS.

I'm not sure how all this has shaken out in the TPG area, but it seems to remain a problem. Though the unsympathetic are apt to say, "buy the coin and not the holder," or "a slab is no substitute for an education," I think the hobby will most certainly contract if people get burned in large numbers by nuances in the TPG philosophy.

Personally, I wouldn't mind if MS-60 and maybe MS-61 were permitted to catch specimens with no wear, but diminished detail; with MS-62, one would have the expectation of seeing all the intended details. Under such an arrangement, the price range of low MS coins would overlap with AU coins and maybe EF too. Would this cause confusion? Maybe a bit. But who hasn't seen a choice AU specimen adjacent to an unappealing and lower-priced MS-60?

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