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The chips in the wreath look familiar.
Edited by zeewool
06/15/2010 11:23 pm
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Wow. That die is *beat*. I'm on my phone; let me get home and look at it on my real monitor and see if we can attribute. It's definitely a Near Date, only 2.0 denticles away.
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VAM 13a is what it looks like, it's worn but I think I see the (G) clash on the rev.
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When you rotate the coin as if you were checking the cartwheel effect, you can see the fields are wavy from the wreath outwards 360 degrees. nlp
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Looks like V-13A twohawks, but it isn't. The mm is wrong. If attribution is the focus, I suggest narrowing it down to mm type first (right after weighing that thing).
In my opinion, shadows and possible wear lines from dentils give the appearance of a very worn die, and weak lettering indicates that it was overpolished as a remedy, but the coin itself is so worn that speculation could expand, and even attribution might be difficult.
Open 9 and near, slightly slanted date looks like v-10A to me.
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06/16/2010 09:08 am
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Now that I've seen and read the description of VAM13A it seems likely that may be the correct attribution. Thanks everyone for the input. nlp
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You can call it whatever you want if you are comfortable with that, but if you want to be correct in your attribution, you need to look elsewhere. It is definitely not VAM 13 or 13A. Compare the mm height position on this coin (normal) to that of VAM 13 (high mm). |
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I do have a problem with the mm as zeewool stated, that being said. I have held a Vam10 in a much lower grade then this one and the die gouge by the date was still very loud and I do not see it or the the die gouge running to the (ONE). The mm looks normal and a little left.
See if you can get a solid close up photo of the wing tip including the (G) and of the leaf into the (O) in one as well as the viewers right side of the date.
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Yeah twohawks, I didn't mean to imply that I thought that this is VAM 10; I just meant that the date looks like that of VAM 10. I don't have the faintest idea what it is, but I am certain of several things that it is not. |
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Edited by nlp coins
06/17/2010 3:53 pm
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I just sized the image of your coin and the plate too the 13a. And then set them side by side and then lined them. It is a 13a
Russ
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WOW, that is absolutely amazing Russ, could you please show that here? Where did you find "the plate too the 13a"?
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13 and 13a are the same true die to VW. I looked it up by Mint mark's. Sort by reverses using the plate photo there I just lined the too plate using Arc Soft photo. the left in side of both mm's on both coins line up as well as top to bottom of the top of the mint mark. The bottom is off but I think that is more due to die wear and PMD. |
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Interesting and impressive Russ. I am not a vammer by any means, but: Here's my take on PMD.....Coin wear, (which is highly prevalent on this coin), has the tendency to spread out devices (in this case, the ribbon bow and the mm). Only damage will move a device. If wear to both the mm and the ribbon bow were to occur, (and it certainly has here), the effect would be that the mm would creep closer between the ribbon bow bottoms. As much as I hated to (and I sincerely hope that I did nothing wrong by it, as I did so only for educational purposes here on this forum), I copied the plate (as you call it) from VW and have posted it here along with a copy of the OP's coin. Here are the results: First V-13:  Now the OP's coin:  Notice that V-13 is of a high mm, while the OP's coin, despite heavy wear, does not extend into the area between the ribbon bow bottoms. If a vammer were to eliminate all obverses that were not near date, and then eliminate all reverses that are not normal mm height, I think that he/she might find a new die pairing here. Basing attributions on minor pups such as gouges (on such a worn coin) is not in my opinion, 'prudent'. The biggest problem with this coin, obviously is the wear, and I think that may be what would keep it off of LVA's desk. Very nice find, anyway. |
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Here are the overlays of all the mm's Noels coin  The only thing I had no control of is the angle of the plates. C3a reverse  C3b reverse  C3c reverse  C3d reverse  C3e reverse  C3f reverse  C3g reverse  C3i reverse  |
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