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Excellent work Russ. You have effectively narrowed the reverse down to C3a. Which of those has a near date? If it can be conclusively decided that it is not v-10 or 10A, then my guess would be new VAM. |
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You are correct and I am wrong and jumped up and down when I did the up and down line and shot and did not do the lateral line.
With the die ware and rub ware on the mm it may not be posible to get a firm ID and Zeewool you may very well be right on a new die pair. I am sure I was wrong, I did all the reverse after your post.
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You have been wrong about 'nothing' Russ. I still don't know what it is....I was quite impressed about how you attacked the whole thing though. We 'both' made some fearless stabs at what it 'might' be, but unfortunately, neither of us can see through wear. I do agree with you that the wear will be the major drawback in getting positive ID on this most interesting coin.
Later Dude,
Zeewool
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06/28/2010 9:51 pm
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definitively NOT VAM 13a......the MM is obviously incorrect. or the plate photo is wrong...... |
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I am leaning towards VAM 4, from the mint mark, though the near date is not mentioned.. Russ check the 9 and 0 for there relationship to the dentils. I think its a match |
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Good eye Gene (as usual). The OP's mm is just a wee bit left to be C3i though. I think that there may have been some VAM not assigned varieties that might be worth a look? |
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Hi Lou, great to hear from you again, lost your email
I would have to agree with you there,(MM) Its ever so slightly out of alignment,, And one of the main points as usual with many of the listings -----few photos....and photo's of the entire date with this year.. and full, pictures of the MM bow and wreath would make it easier to get the basics established, DATE PLACEMENT AND MM........that in itself would go a long way......Russ is going to undertake a great challenge by collecting pictures to fix this problem..GO RUSS!!
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The lining is off a little as the angle of the photos of the mint mark are all not the same. So it is just a rough line in. I am looking photo's of all O and S mint marked VAM's taken at a true 90 degree angle. So if anyone finds time please send me picks with the VAM number and date,..... Pick need to be from the top of the bow down the the rim and side to side from the (E) in ONE and the first (L) in dollar. I am trying to put together a complete mm blue print for the VW site any help would be great. |
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Oh, I was wondering about the email thing. I remember yours, expect to hear from me. Let's see now, about 5,000 obverse photos, and about 5,000 reverse photos, when can we expect the results? Maybe Russ' grandchildren can finish up if he doesn't stick with a superhuman pace.
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with so few photo's I think tomorrow night should not be asking to much !!
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I'd like to help out Russ, but I don't do vams. Just O & S should cut it down dramatically. I was unclear before of the quest. Best of luck in your efforts.
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Do you really think so Gene? I think tomorrow night might be pushing it a little. I would give him a more realistic goal, like 72 hours just so he doesn't get too tired. I think that getting widespread participation/cooperation will be the biggest hurdle here. You know that the coins are out there, but procrastination rules supreme when it comes to taking and submitting pictures when there is no glory to be attained. Hope that I am wrong.
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one of the great things of that site is anybody can update things, and Russ has done so already, but your right getting others to help out will the main ingredient!! I think its a worthy cause, worth contributing to.....
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My main goal Is too have just solid mint mark placement photos of each die series like in the 1878 S from the C2a and so on. With each reverse die photo being of a uniformed size and the line marker being the same. Then anyone that has a camera and photo program can line there coin up and narrow the field as too what VAM they have. Once you get into worn coins this tool would help out a ton! The key is if you know you have a known VAM that is a O or S send me a pick of the reverse with the year and VAM number. I will line it and crop to size. I have already set up photo files for each year and mint mark. I some years there are only 7 to 10 reverse dies per mint series. Is it work yes! Will it help many..I think so! Will I learn allot...I think so!! I already have 12 Photos sent too me and I have 44 Attributed coins coming back soon plus about 150 already have back. With help this could get going sooner than later and be a really good thing |
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A highly noble undertaking Russ, however, I can see flaws and frustration intermingled in the effort. Might I suggest that you request full pictures of both sides of each coin as well (three photos per coin) to identify the die pairings. As I would expect, a certain percentage of the information as to which VAM you are sent the mm photos of will be incorrect. Armed with photos of entire obverse/reverse, the chances of misattribution will diminish. I might also suggest that you enlist the assistance of a proven attributor or expert in the field (JR, Brian, Jack, etc. you know the guys) to authenticate photo attributions. A photo, no matter how much time and effort that you pour into it will not only be worthless, it will end up to be detrimental to your desired overall goal if it was flawed with misattribution from the git-go. Just a thought. |
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