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I'm doing something similar with 1921's, all shot in high resolution.
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1921s ? Well there is your saving grace Russ. I suggest that you limit your study to 1878-1904. I would not hesitate to think that this year alone would be a far more daunting task than all previous years combined. Who is to say just what paradox may be encountered in the opening of Pandora's Box? The work that the two of you will do may culminate in value of importance to that of LVA, and I mean that sincerely.
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06/18/2010 1:09 pm
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The work of LVA and GM was years in the making. I was just thinking that this my help others narrow the type VAM as in a funnel a little faster. I think it will help new and old. And I am sure it will help me learn. :) This is not for a book this is just to place a reverse ID with a uniformed reference photo to aid in the narrowing down the type of VAM. I feel that if the funnel had a little better flow as it would be, that more collectors will start looking at Morgan VAM's with a renewed interest. |
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I think it will be a great accomplishment, the fact is many a picture is not square, or rotated or the camera is at an angle...For most coins Date and MM positions are essential to establish the die pair and then the VAM,,they both narrow the possible's down so one doesn, 't have to study ever possible VAM, waisting to much time..... |
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Russ, I can only imagine what the final disposition of your efforts will be, but do you have a running tally, or can you provide a periodic update of your progress? Or will this be a cloak and dagger / secret squirrel type of thing that will be unveiled upon the unsuspecting at a particularly precarious moment in time? I am interested in things that generate information.
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 No I am working with Ash as far as A true defined line up and down for center. I have about 74 photos of different years and VAM's as of now. I try to size about 5 a day, but I stopped lining them until I have more input as to what is to be considered center. |
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Ughhhh.
If you need someone to tell you what center is, then ask Dave how he is doing the 1921s, or just pick a reference point and stick to it.
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Okay, that sounded rather harsh, and I didn't mean it to be. May I suggest rather than getting bogged down with the opinions and decisions of others, that you do it your own way.
Look, Dave is doing the D reverse hub. That leaves only three major hubs left. They differ in certain aspects, but are identical in far more.
If it were me, I would:
Identify that which coincides on the A, B, and C hubs and ignore the differences, then take an engineering compass and find center of the design. Using an accurate scale, draw several lines from one edge of the design to the other, each crossing design centerpoint. Find a drawn line that coincides with a reference (that is constant to all three hubs) on the opposite side of the design from the wreath bow, and appears to cross approximate visual center of the wreath bow area. Call it reference center, or center reference.
Not instruction Russ, just suggestion.
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06/27/2010 6:07 pm
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I was and am looking for what would be accepted by the main vamming folks. I think the way I was doing it is OK. But I also think that for it to truly be used it will need the acceptance of the whole community
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 Right on Russ, email sent  |
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sliding off subject a bit.....Email me Zeee...... LOL......I think Zeewool has addressed -2- of the most important primary features of vaming, and there flaws..... 1)the date placement...and its listings flaws that are outside of the accepter attribution guide...... 2)the Mintmark and its placement....again listing flaws. not consistant between years but rater within any given year, and its relationship within its own year.....thats not consistant within the guidlines...... SKIP 3,4 and 5..... 6)the fact that both date placement and mintmark placement is crucial to be ACCURATE.........is more than an understatement........ These basic guidlines are what we go by to acertain the most basic VAM, in our vaming learning basics......why should the be not be consistant? I won't name my bestest buddy...but we have asked many a question.........that falls on deaf ears..But I think we all know that Russ is on the right tract to correct some of the MOST BASIC principles.......with help from you and me, it will get better, don't expect it over night....I am glad Russ is taking this into his own hands.......he is one to question the photo's we are assuming to be correct, and at accept other's questionable objections with an OPEN MIND.........Thanks Russ for that...... |
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I'm really sorry Gene, I did not realize that my email option was turned off all this time. That explains quite a few things for me. I have turned it on now.
The date and mm placement may be crucial to the less skilled, but there are quite a few old salts sailing these waters who can identify a coin on the spot by secret pups and other means that have become the tools of their trade. I 'might' not expect them to be overjoyed at the aspects of a new wave of information made available that may be viewed as tools of competition.
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Time for an update Russ....Have you determined a reference line through center yet, or are the pictures at different rotations still flooding in?
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I have 110 coins done to date. Thanks for asking Zee Hey Zee e-mail me I have something I need to send you. Thanks Russ |
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ok
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08/05/2010 3:21 pm
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If you have not already determined the top and bottom of the coin, (which you probably already have), I just remembered something Russ, that may help out a bit. Why cannot you use the same reference points for determining center as I recall being used in the VAM book for rotation? As I recall, it was something like a line between the I and B in pluribus on the obverse, and the vertical stand of the E in states on the reverse. |
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