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2009 Polk Proof Dollar Error

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I found this on the 2009S Polk dollar in the silver proof set, it has some serious rim burrs & damage and appears to have a piece of metal stamped on the face of liberty. Any thoughts on this would be appreciated.

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 Posted 06/18/2010  5:56 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Namachieli to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Looks like a sub-par planchet. Is it still in the original mint packaging?

Perhaps Lady Liberty is crying over how awful all these commemorative series have become.
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Yes it is still in the sealed original holder with the other 3 dollars
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LOL IANMPRICE - Lady liberty is definitely crying her eyes out =)
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Do you have a magnifying glass and can confirm if the streak is raised above design, like a foriegn object was stamped onto the coin, or perhaps a split in the plating, which would be more crevasse like.

Based on the edges though, I would say it was a bad mix of the composition metals, resulting in a poor-quality planchet. I'm pretty sure something like this could be worth more money, especially because its a proof, and that is quite the opposite of what a proof should be, being hand selected and all. I could be wrong though.

My advice. dont do anything hasty with it. Hold on to it, research more. and whatever you do, DO NOT remove it from the case. Thats about the only thing proving that it isn't PMD (post mint damage)
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I took it to work and looked at it under a microscope and a magnifying glass as well, it does appear to me that it is pressed into the original surface. On the cheek you can see a break in the mark in questions and it is colored normal in between the cracks

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Hmmm, perhaps there was crud in the die that deformed the planchet. Very interesting.

Hopefully our resident error experts will wage in and give their opinion. I'm very interested to see the result.
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does that pic above help you any? Its tricky getting a good image thru the pastic with an average digital camera.
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yea, unless you have a digital microscope to snap pics, we will have to rely on your observation. Camera pics wont give enough detail and depth for analysis.
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unfortunately we don't have the scope that takes pics anymore
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Looks like a piece of a wire brush that the mint uses to clean the dies. If it is then it could be a very nice struck through! I do not have experience in these but a few weeks ago there was a thread here with a cent coin that had a very similar look. The experts will be by shortly.

here's the thread
https://goccf.com/t/64166#64166
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Hopefully the experts have some insight on this
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I just re-read the thread and it was stated that it is a brush typically used by the mint and not on the die as I stated.
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This is a case of something struck into the surface of the coin. I have no idea of value or anything else, but they are not common and are pretty nice when they look like this one.

Camera pictures don't provide enough detail? Hmm....mine do.
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ozmonster - some more research I found for you:

The following was found here:

http://www.coinworld.com/NewCollect...triking.aspx

Struck-through errors: Struck-through errors occur when foreign objects fall between die and planchet during striking.
Struck-through
(wire bristle)

Pieces of cloth, metal fragments, wire, slivers of reeding, grease, oil, dirt, wire bristles (from wire brushes used to clean dies, resembling staples), die covers and other objects may fall between the dies and the coin. The most collectible struck-through errors are those with the foreign object still embedded in the surface of the coin


Check this out too. I know Mike Diamond has been around this forum from time to time. Maybe you could send pics to the email listed on the page and have your proof coin pictures added to the list of errors pictured.(coins.guide@about.com)

http://coins.about.com/od/errorcoinsdievarieties/ig/2007-Proof-Dollar-Error-Coins/
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I had submitted my pics to them late last night. I hadn't come across the article, nice read. Thx. Pricing will be tougher since most of the coins that are similar are non-proof coins.
I have a couple emails I'm waiting for a response on. But it is nice to know There are people helping me out.
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