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'82 Copper/Zinc Question

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I was looking at coppercoins (trying to score, but no luck) and noticed that the doubled dies are small/large, zinc/copper specific.

Is it not possible for those same dies to strike the other planchet types? For example, would it be possible for 1982D-1DO-001 to be struck on a copper planchet? Or why not?
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WOW, that is a great question. It looks like you may have stumped the panel. I think it is possible, unless f course they change the dies before moving to the zinc. Do you think you have found one that has crossed the composition line?
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No. I've just been to the page many times and knew they were specific to large/small and zinc/copper, but just recently really thought about it.

I mean '83 coppers exist, so I would think that that would mean a cross would be possible. Wouldn't that imply that copper planchets were still in the hoppers through the entire '82 run?
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I think some joker at the mint was having a really bad day in 1983 and said to himself "fine if I cant have a raise I am going to make someone some good money " and the proceeded to throw a handful of copper planchet's in the hopper
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If all known examples of a given die are of one metal, then it's pretty safe to assume that all of them would be that way.

One thing to understand is that mintage was into the billions and billions. With the doubled dies being so far ans wide between, and with each die pair receiving a maximum of 750,000 strikes, it is VERY unlikely that any of the known doubled dies were struck right at the time that the metals were changed.

Is it possible? Sure. Likely? Not a chance.

There are probably examples out there somewhere of two coins struck by the same die in two different metals, but the chance that you would notice them would be extremely remote because the coins are probably normal coins....i.e., no die varieties.
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Interesting. Thanks for the food for thought Chuck.
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The copper and zincs probably had some production time overlap, but since the presses would most likely have needed different pressure settings for striking it is very unlikely that they would use the same press for striking both metals. Zinc would have been struck in one area and copper in another. Keeping them separate would also allow for counts in the bagging area to be partially confirmed by weight.

So a die variety in the zinc production area would almost certainly not strike a copper cent except by accident and vice versa.
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