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1921 Missouri Centennial

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 Posted 06/26/2010  09:06 am Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add New Mismatist to your friends list Get a Link to this Message Number of Subscribers
Another from the collection that hasn't seen daylight since 1952. Enjoy!

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 Posted 06/26/2010  11:36 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add cownas22 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Very Nice Coin! This is a tough issue, looks like it has survived the years well.
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 Posted 06/26/2010  3:38 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Darth Anarchus to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Nice piece!!
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 Posted 06/26/2010  8:35 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add nickelsearcher to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Do you notice the trend here New Mismatist that the replies are becoming farther apart for these admittedly lovely coins?

So far you have managed to post some nice photos ...

But in no case have you granted the courtesy of a single reply to the knowledge shared with you.

Whats up with that?

I'm starting to wonder if your only goal is to price your found collection for sale ....

I choose to drop out of that game.

Hope I'm wrong ...... you can show different with a few polite replies to all the effort and knowledge shared with you so far.

David
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 Posted 06/26/2010  8:48 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add New Mismatist to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Well, I certainly appreciate all the information and replies, especially what you've shared, David.

As I'm new to the Coin World, there's not really much I can add beyond sharing my collection. I've started reading up as much as I can about all the coins in my collection, so hopefully I can share what I learn withe future "newbies."
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 Posted 06/26/2010  11:15 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add GR58 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
New Mismatist

In my opinion you have some very nice coins, some of us here will never have the nice coins that you have.
You are very lucky to have had a grand mother to have thought so much of you, to leave you such a nice collection.

From seeing some of your coins, my worry that some of the holders you mentioned the coins are in, may be hurting the coins. In my experience some of the older coin plastic flips would get hard. I think some of the coins may have developed a rub from the holders they are in. I could be wrong, just my opinion.

What I am saying is, I think you should decide how you want to store your coins. To me the choices are to have some or all of them slabbed. Or to transfer them to better holders, such as Airtights or other similar holders designed to protect your coins. Also to store them in a place where they will be secure and protected against environmental damage. Of course one option is a banks safe deposit box (SDB). I use a combination of all these options. I keep some coin sets I am working on at home, in a safe with products to remove moisture.

Most of my commemorative coins I store in Lighthouse coin holders in a Lighthouse coin case. I really like this set up.

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 Posted 06/26/2010  11:44 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add New Mismatist to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Thanks for the heads-up, Gold. For as long as she had them, her entire collection of commemoratives have been kept in tissue paper, in the same paper envelopes she bought them in. In some cases, they've also been in tissue paper inside a small cellophane sleeve. Her two (nearly) complete sets of commems have been kept in what look like Dansko albums (I'd have to dig out the actual album to confirm).

The coins I've posted pictures of so far have mostly come from a separate box in which she kept what looked like the beginning of a third set of commems. There certainly could have been some kind of contact wear occurring in the box.

I have decided to have all but a handful of them slabbed. At least that way their beauty is easier to appreciate than wrapped in tissue paper in an album somewhere. In the meantime, I'll likely be moving them into inert (I think) Sa-flips for temporary storage. Many will also be kept in a SDB before and after slabbing, for safe keeping and storage.

Now, slabbing is expensive, and it'll take some time to get all the coins graded. Is it okay to keep them in the PVC-free flips for a year or so? Should I look into some other temporary storage solution?

I'll take a look at the Lighthouse setup as well.

Cheers!
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 Posted 06/27/2010  11:12 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add nickelsearcher to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Excellent heads up from GoldRush ........

You have been blessed with a collection worth many thousands of dollars ..... heck some of the coins I've seen so far are over 1K each!

Every coin you have shown so far is worthy of placing into a top-tier slab should you choose to go that route ....... although as GoldRush wisely points out, there are other equally protective options.

Whatever you decide to do ...... take great pains when handling these to not impart any damage and for sure do not do anything that will affect in any way the original surfaces.

David
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 Posted 06/27/2010  11:49 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add New Mismatist to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Thanks, David.

I've already sent a few coins to PCGS and NGC for grading, and I'll be sending the rest as I have time and money over the next few months. Every single coin that goes out for grading will be photographed first. Photography is one of my passions, and I think it's a great way preserve the record of these coins having been in our family for sixty years or more.

As far as handling goes, all of these coins get the cotton gloves treatment, and are only handled lightly by the edges.
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 Posted 06/27/2010  12:57 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add GR58 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
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I may have read something wrong, in how the coins were being stored.
It sounds like your grand mother did a good job storing them, with what she had available back then.

Where most of the coins you have posted so far are beautiful and what I can see nice grade/condition coins. I think I was remembering one or two of the first ones that may have had a rub ... it could just be the picture, I know I have trouble getting a good pic.

As nickelsearcher and I have mentioned there are some good options for storing your coins now. The top shelf grading service slabs would be one of the better options. But like you mentioned that could be very costly. Of course you don't have to do them all at once, you can spend years slabbing them, this is a hobby where you really don't have to be in a hurry.

I think the next option would be putting them in protective holders, like Airtights, Intercept shield, lighthouse etc. I use lighthouse, because they are cost effective and fit in my lighthouse case the best. I also like them because they are square and to me store better. A box of 10 costs about $5.00. Airtights and Intercept shield may be a little bit better.

This is getting long so let me post some pics about what I am talking about with the holders.

First pic The two square holders are Lighthouse. The round one with the flash glare is Air tight, the other I think is the type the mint uses.


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The next pics of of my Lighthouse coin case. This might not be the best choice for you, if your going to keep them in a SDB, it would take up more space then just boxing up the slabs or holders.


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 Posted 06/27/2010  12:59 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add GR58 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I forgot to say ... seeing all your nice coins .. is making me want to purchase more of the older commemorative coins.
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 Posted 06/27/2010  1:25 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add New Mismatist to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Wow! Now that is the way to protect/display coins. Very nice!
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All this talk about storage issues ...... and we seem to have not discussed this specific coin.

You can read the history here:

http://www.coincommunity.com/commem...f_dollar.asp

Some interesting tid-bits about the 1921 Missouri ....

Daniel Boone appears on the obverse of this coin ...... and later is featured on the obverse of the 1934-1938 Boone Bicentennial Half Dollar ....... this is one of four occasions where one person appears on two Classic US Commemorative.

fyi ..... the other three are:

General Robert E Lee: 1925 Stone Mountain and 1937 Battle of Antietam

George Washington: 1900 Lafayette Dollar and 1926 Sesquicentennial

Booker T Washington: BTW Half and Washington-Carver Half

Your 2*4 example is a great lesson in the greed of the time ..... the 'special designation' signified Missouri status as the 24th State ...... and was really just another way to collect money from the Numismatic world.

Alabama soon followed suit with their 1921 2*2 example (I see you have one posted) ..... for the same reasons ..... greed ... and in 1922 the Grant Half Dollars used a * for the same reason ...... these are the 3 examples in the 144-coin series where the only design change was the addition of a trivial feature intended to force collectors to purchase more coins to keep their collections intact.

There is some ambiguity about the mintage totals for the 1921 Missouri Plain and 2*2 .....

It is accepted that the original mintage of 50,028 coins were struck in Philadelphia in July 1921 ..... and that 29,600 were returned for melting leaving a net surviving 20,428 coins for us to enjoy today.

There are various accounts of how many Plain versus 2*4 were minted however. Some experts claim that your coin New Mismatist has a mintage of 5,000 ...... where other experts peg the number closer to 9,000. Either way ..... this is a low mintage coin.

Interesting to note relative to your fine example that the 2*4 were minted first ..... and that most of them were sold to collectors and thus reasonably well preserved. They also have the best potential for full-strikes.

The deepest recess of this very high relief design is on the reverse of the coin (you have your photos correct this time ) where the leather strap connects the powder horn to the shoulder of the frontiersman. Your coin apprears to be well struck with full details.

You have a real beauty here New Mismatist ...... a very well struck coin that might grade MS-65.

I see a bag hit below Boone's ear on the obverse ...... and some assorted bag hits on the lower half of the figures on the reverse ..... but the fields are clean and well preserved.

Only possible concern was your grandmothers storage ...... Boone's cheek is the high point of the obverse design and your excellent photo shows a bright spot there.

Look under a 10X loupe ...... is that rub where material has been removed?

If so ..... alas .... this lovely is an AU-58 slider.

If this were my coin I would send it to PCGS or NCG for authentication and grading ...... if MS-65 then the Numismedia FMV is $3340.

David
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Man, what is it with my particular coins and stories of greed? I'll try to post one that has nothing to do with man's avarice.

I'll have to get a loupe for closer inspection in the future.

And this one is already on its way to PCGS. I'll report back with their grade.


Cheers!
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