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Roosevelt Dime Proofs Discoloring

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I have to admit, I'm fairly angry as I write this post. I hadn't opened my Roosevelt dansco in awhile. I haven't added any coins to this album since 1986. I have many proofs that have this brown discoloration on them: 66, 70s, 72s, 74s, 84s and 85s. They probably aren't worth that much but back when I put them in, I didn't make a whole lot of money so yeah, I'm bummed. Now I wonder, if I should even replace them. I keep all of my albums air tight at about 70 degrees. It would help to know if anyone else has had this issue and what to do about it. Makes me kind of glad that I hadn't started quarters yet. I don't have a lot of Kennedys in my album yet but I do have a 74s with the same tannish brownish tone. All of these were bought from the same dealer way back.
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07/09/2010 5:30 pm
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Since 86? The first thing that comes to my mind is "How old
are you albums?" and "Did Dansco make them with different
materials back then?" I thought that Dansco was made of
relatively inert, or at least 'archival' materials. ?

I know that they sell the 'dust covers' that cut down on
air exposure as well as have a corrosion inhibitor built in.

I hope that this discoloration you found isn't the norm.
I just got into Danscos and have sunk some money lately.
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Dansco doesn't stand for "preservation".

Their albums are the same as every one elses.

Except on this forum. There is a "Isn't Dansco Great?" thread every week.

Dansco will kill your coins EXACTLY like Whitman or Littleton or whoever. In the SAME storage environment, Dansco will do absolutely NO BETTER than the others.

There is the slip case for Danscos and there is one included for Intercept Shield albums. Wanna give it a shot?

Albums for high quality coins are a joke. Good luck everyone. Keep it up.

It just makes my collection more valuable :)
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Brown is not good, I keep most of my proofs in airtites.

what else is in the area where the coins are stored? other paper products? card board? is the area where you store your albums relatively air tight?

gasses from other sources collect and saturate everything in an enclosed space.

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ALL of my Lincoln proofs are in Air-Tites to prevent this. Metalman is dead on!
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I'm curious now. I'm presently moving all my collections to air-tights. I'm actually getting rid of the Whitman and Dansco albums. Any one have experience with the AMOS system?
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I know that I am the not only one that has no problems with albums. For what it is worth, my two oldest Dansco albums were bought in 1984.

Metalman makes a good point about other things near the albums. Gasses can and do permeate these albums.
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So, I have not bought the Dansco's yet. I have a complete modern collection in business, proof, and silver. This thread has me thinking hard about investing in albums at all. I would really like the look of an album but maybe it is just not a good idea. So...what would be the best way to go?

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Dansco sells an "extra line of protection". It's called a "Slipcase". The album slides in there and it reduces airflow and can act as a "wall" for a limited amount of extra protection for Silver and Proof coins.
They also look very good in these Slipcases.
I read somewhere that these "slipcases" add an extra 15 years of protection to the coins contained therein. Of course that would "hinge" upon environmental conditions I'm sure.

But I would say this to those thinking of "Not" using a Dansco or other album.....How many older Mint Sets, Proof Sets, and Silver Proof Sets have you seen where the coins are "browning" or getting a "milky" discoloring on them.....and these are in the original government packaging. Airtights, (whether this is implied using coin containers or storage condition) are probably different "environments" for EVERYBODY....gasses....humidity levels...safes....safety deposit boxes....specific environmental places and geographical locations.....all of these conditions/areas are different for EVERYBODY. What is a concern for one person, may not be so much of a concern for another.
Aluminum foil and a ziplock baggie may keep coins perfect for one person for 35 years and counting........yet in an area with regular 95% humidity (like Kansas)....mixed in with some specific gasses, this may last two years for me.
Even the O.G.P.'s may not protect your coins.....I guess that's my point.
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How old are your Danscos? Mine were from the 70s when there was no thought to archival protection and all of my BU silver Washingtons turned an ugly mottled shade of brown after a few years in them. Once that happened, I never used another album with sliders ever again. They were worse than the PVC flips of 80s. I've always relied on air-tites or Capital Plastic holders since then. The only reason I would go back to a Dansco or Whitman coin album would be for circulated or worn coins, which I don't currently collect. Sorry to hear of your dismaying discovery, it sucks nonetheless whether it's a cheap or expensive coin ruined.
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Perhaps I will consider those slipcovers. It is just so frustrating when you pay for the best and take all the precautions yet these clad proofs still do this. Fortunately it is not all of them but it does get me wondering about whether to remove all of the coins from that page and order a replacement or just buy new proofs. Or both. Here again, the coins aren't worth much but as I continue with my newer State Quarters with clad and silver proofs, I would be brokenhearted. I hope it is an isolated incident.

To answer the questions about how exactly they are stored. I keep the albums in basic sterilite boxes with snap on lids. They are kept in both my closet and sometimes in a storage shelf with doors. Other items in the storage shelf include office supplies, ie copy paper, pens, pencils, sealed ink cartridges, etc. Considering the tightness of the lid on the sterilite box and that dansco includes plastic sleeves on both sides of the coins, I cant imagine it being environmental. More likely, I think it could have been done when originally packaged by the dealer. Who knows. I think I may just buy replacement pages to be sure and then buy those slipcovers that eaglefoot mentioned.
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