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 Posted 07/07/2010  4:34 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add maudry to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Very interesting item! I like it. But as stated above by far too expensive.
Islamic coins ended most of the time as jewels.
In Germany they used to produce tankards out of big silver coins. These are generally sold at higher price than would the coins on them at auctions.
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 Posted 07/07/2010  5:20 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add jlcarvoeiro to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I agree , if they were rare coins it was a crime but with those , there is no excuse also ehehehe.
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 Posted 07/08/2010  02:50 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add zazenboy to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
As a coin collector, I see your point, but what you are criticizing is a piece of Indigenous art made when Navajo silversmiths had only available to them the silver from circulating coinage. These squash blossom necklaces are taken historically from the vestments of Spanish conquistadors and are highly prized as jewelry and one way to display one's wealth. This is the metal equivalent to shell and bead necklaces, also used in trade, as "horrific" as it looks, coins are simply valued differently in a culture not your own, and should be appreciated for its difference, not shunned because you don't happen to agree with its use. Americanese is NOT the only culture on this earth.
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 Posted 07/08/2010  03:18 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add jedichef to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
true, but I'm looking at it from a numismatists point of view, this is after all, a COIN COLLECTING FORUM, is it not? I think as a piece of art, a relic of a different culture it's quite remarkable, but by noticing my avatar, a Mercury dime, one might infer that I'm a huge fan of that particular coin. and to see it in any form other than a flat, perfect circle still breaks my heart. I too collect art and antiques and would love and treasure this if it were mine to own, but it's still an adulteration of 100 beautiful works of art in their own right.
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 Posted 07/08/2010  08:10 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add zazenboy to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
On principle I agree with you, Jedichef, as a numismatist, but as a cultural artifact I am fascinated by the fact that Navajos saw silver coins as wealth to be worn as personal adornment based on the history and traditions of their culture, which we need to respect even though it is a sad descration of 100 Mercury dimes. Let me tell you what the difference between the culturally significant squash blossom necklace (which is well worth the $2250 asking price, since the piece has 8 walkers, a Peace dollar and the aforementioned $10 worth of dimes, and is a museum quality piece) and the gold bracelet made from 10 Bela Lyon Pratt quarter eagles soldered together that I inherited from my mother, TWO of which were 1911-Ds! The former may have lost all of its numismatic value, but its cultural value is almost priceless, whereas my poor bracelet is probably just worth scrap at this point. This is the point I'm trying to make to you, that there are differences based on the cultural shift, and what of coin collecting but based on commerce from the needs of the dominant culture? To divorce the two would be to take your dimes completely out it's context and thus rendered meaningless and irrevelent. Just my Two Cents, I'm not aiming to start an argument with you, but your post was certainly thought provoking!
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 Posted 07/08/2010  8:06 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Moe145 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply


Zazenboy!

Note: Your posts are an excellent and well articulated point of view!
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 Posted 07/09/2010  02:37 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Frazzle to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
As they say,beauty is in the eye of the beholder and id much rather see someone make jewelry with the coins than take a blowtorch to them
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 Posted 07/09/2010  2:01 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add zazenboy to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Thanks, Moe145, for the welcome and praise! I really appreciate it. As a newbie to this coin forum, I don't mean to start an argument with anyone, but I am a passionate advocate of coin collecting as being at the apex of commerce, art, and history, all very exciting and intriguing topics. Although I am not a great fan of the U.S. mint due to the contradictory marketing policies of the past, I sincerely admire the current mint director, Edmund Moy, for his open approach to new product ideas from the general public for the mint. This is more than can be said about his predecessors in the last ten years.

Incidentally, there are a couple of excellent examples of squash blossom necklaces at the Albuquerque Museum that look like the offering on e-Bay, and yes I noticed that they were made from U.S. silver coins as well.
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 Posted 07/09/2010  4:12 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add okiepb to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
As a new member here, I appreciate the insight behind everyone's comments and thoughts. It looks like I'll be learning from experts. Thanks.
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