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Take a look at these two 1924-D Lincolns. One is Brown and the other has some nice luster, eye appeal, with splashes of red/orange. Now they have been both graded by one of the TPG's and I will tell you they are both problem-free coins (no cleaning, dipping, etc.). I tried to take the best pics I could take, so if the pics are not up to snuff, you know why. But keep in mind that sample B has the luster and red/orangle splashes I was talking about...Okay, I'll admit it...it is the one I like. You can see some of the luster in the 2nd ObvB pic since I tilted the slab to get a better angle. Their grades really baffled me and I would like your opinions (grades) on these before I show you what the TPG's said about these two. You might be surprised! I was! Download Attachment:  1924DObv1c.jpg28.96Â KB Download Attachment: 1924DRev1c.jpg23.37Â KB Download Attachment: 1924D1cSampleBObv.jpg50.76Â KB Download Attachment: 1924DSampleBObv2.jpg72.34 KB Download Attachment: 1924D1cSampleBRev.jpg48.28Â KB I just want to see if it is JUST ME...results later! Edited by zakgold
04/03/2005 10:29 am
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Ed, I hate grading coins by photos, but I'll take a chance and say he first one is XF while the second (labelled "sample") might be AU. These both could be one grade too high since I tend to overgrade from images.
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Coin #1 VF 30
Coin #2 AU58...(beautiful reverse)
Edit...so hard to tell on #2 how much wear on Obverse!(spots?)
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04/02/2005 11:03 pm
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Here's what some of the TPGs said: Download Attachment: SampleAgradeisactually.jpg15.97Â KB Download Attachment: SampleBgradeisactually.jpg55.32Â KB Interesting? Don't you think? ANACS gave what everybody thinks as a VF/EF an AU55? Mid 20 Lincolns are a bear to grade because many of their strikes are poor and struck with used dies, so that is why I asked for your input. These are tough! Edited by zakgold
04/03/2005 10:11 am
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What did the "big boys" say? Mike  |
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I thought ICG would have been looser and ANACS tougher. The grading game gets more confusing all the time. By the way what did you think they would be and how did you choose which coin went where!!! Mike
From your last Photo's I thought they were not in the same order as your original photo's. It's hard to tell, and my first response was what I said above, I thought the better of the two was the ANACS and the lower grade one was the ICG!(just the opposite) Go figure!! [:0]
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04/03/2005 10:56 am
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I bought the ICG coin raw...hoping it would grade AU58 or better. I liked the luster and red/orange hues still left in the coin. I was a little disappointed when it came back.
The ANACS coin I had awhile back and had it for awhile. Since that coin graded at AU55, I was sure that ICG submission would fair at least AU58 based on how ANACS graded the first coin. This is what drives me crazy!!
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From my original response I agree that the ICG should have easily made a 58! I think ANACS was very liberal on the first one,hence your bigger disapointment on the other submission. I think the strike was exceptional for that year. Clearly you can see weakness on the obverse and reverse on the other one that have nothing to do with wear. Even the mint mark was crisp! Try it again, maybe at PCGS. You may be surprised! Mike
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Coin #1 - EF40
Coin #2 - AU55
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I didn't look at the results before I posted my opinion. Even considering the softer strikes on these coins, I still see the first as an EF grade. There is definite wear (rub) on the cheekbone. That does not appear to be just a softer strike to me.
I saw the second as a sold AU55.
One way or the other, I do not understand (or agree with) the grades as they were assigned (keeping in mind that my opinions are based on images and grading can be done a lot more accurately with the coins in hand). From what I saw, the first coin had definite wear and the second had very minimal rub.
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Thanks for everybody's input. For the life of me I can't understand how ANACS gave a AU55 for the first coin, while the second looks twice as good with colors and all...but got only an AU50
This is the hardest range for me to grade...AU50 to MS63. Drives me crazy...but in a fun way.
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I would say based on the photos that Anacs was very loose on this coin. AU should still retain a good bit of luster and very light circulation. This coin could be weakly struck, but still shows definate signs of wear.
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At least, we all agree what they appeared to be from the images: XF and AU I'm not sure it'd be worth the investment to crack them out and send them to PCGS. It'd be a crap shoot, for sure.
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Originally posted by Morgan Fred
At least, we all agree what they appeared to be from the images: XF and AU I'm not sure it'd be worth the investment to crack them out and send them to PCGS. It'd be a crap shoot, for sure.
Hery Fred! Its always a crap shoot these days when you send a coin out. I figured he is bound to get them right eventually! Mike |
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Posted 04/02/2005 10:40 pm
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