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I've decided to take a look at collecting type sets of Israeli coins. I started looking through Krause to get some ideas on the various K#s etc.
I have a question about say the 1987 Hanukkah issues. For example Krause lists them as K163, K171-174. But in the back of the Israel section they also list a Mint Set MS35 and the heading for this set of mint sets is called Mint Sets Non-Standard Metals. I don't understand this. Are just the mint sets (those found in the official casings) different metals than those listed with the rest of the coins. if so, wouldn't they actually have different Krause numbers and what are the metals?
Using the 1987 as the example still, I see 28,800 sets being minted yet the mintage on KM171 (the 1 Agora Hanukkah listing) it says 1,004,000 were minted of those.
Any help in understanding this would be appreciated
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07/18/2010 7:36 pm
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You probably meant 1986?
My understanding is that some coins were issued as circulating coinage, 1, 004,000 count, and some were a part of boxed mint sets, 28,800 sets. As mint sets are supposed to be for collectors, starting in 1985 they mint the collector coinage out of different ("non-standard", more valuable?) metal. It's strange, though, they don't specify the metal.
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I did mean 1987 but I suspect 1986 was the same issue. What I don't get is if they are different metals (whatever they are), how in the world would you identify them. They have the same design, there is no mention of weight or size difference and they have the same Krause number. This all seems very strange to me.
Presumably the only way you would know you had the mint set is that it would be in the holder but they are so easy to open and replace coins, this seems a bit odd as well. and why would anyone do that if the metals are not more valuable (or are they). Is there really a difference between the circulating coins and the mint sets? I just purchased a 1979 mint set, the type that had the Star of David in the field. I wasn't going to keep them in the holder because I prefer them in my binder (I know that is a sensitive subject and I don't want to derail this thread). But if they are indeed different then I need to reconsider this storage option. I have 2 other sets as well that I need to make this call on.
I've done some searching on the web and I don't find anyone saying anything about them being different, they just sell them in the official mint cases.
Still looking for some more experience in this area.
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I don't know if this will help but I think the "special sets" were Piedfort issues made with the SAME metal only twice as thick. The 1986 Hanukkah coin set says Piedfort under the coins as I recall.
I just looked it up and the set reads "piefort" which must be a version of piedfort?
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07/19/2010 9:01 pm
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Have you tried the Israel Mint web page. In the section on coins no longer for sale http://www.israelmint.com/?section=167you can use the advanced search function to pick the year. Then scroll down to the sets for Hannukah and click on more. It gives mintage and metals used. |
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thanks Angielczyk. That is a great page to learn more about Israeli coins. However, I still have one open question. Are these coins different somehow to the singles listed in Krause. The size is the same per this page. the weight is the same. The metal says Bronze whereas the singles say Aluminum Bronze. But looking at them they look like Aluminum Bronze so I don't think they are straight up bronze. Besides I'm not sure you could have the same size coin with the same weight and have the 2 different metals unless the thickness was different and there is no mention of that.
I'm going to conclude that the sets (although listed as being limited in mintage) are the same coins they struck for circulation (which they did a million of them) unless there is some other experience and wisdom to draw on.
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Don't know if this helps or makes it worse but I have just found in a drawer this Hanukka Circulation set from the Bank of Israel for 1986  |
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thanks Zohar. I've been to that site. But it really just confused the situation more. It lists the Hanukka 'Trade coins' as being copper. Krause says Al-Bronze and I have some and they are not copper! It lists the Hanukka Mint set as being bronze. Now that could be true but if it were, wouldn't Krause have a different number for them - they don't! they look the same as the 'Trade coins' and have the same size and weights.
It would be nice if they mentioned either in Krause or this site that the mint sets (in this case the 28,800 minted in 1987) are the same coins as the 'trade coins' OR that they are indeed different.
And perhaps I am just really dense and I should be seeing my answer.
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