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Advice For Becoming A Dealer

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 Posted 07/31/2010  8:07 pm Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add vgasca to your friends list Get a Link to this Message Number of Subscribers
I have been collecting gold and silver coins for a long time and I like collecting them and speaking to people that like collecting coins. Thus I am looking into becoming a coin dealer.

I know that many of you have had a lot of experience with coin dealers thus I would like to hear your advice.

1. Can you tell me what would be your ideal coin dealer?

2. If you were to buy a coin(s) from a new website what would make you feel sure that you can trust the website and coin dealer? For the website, if you saw that a seal like verisign or sitelock was on the site would you feel a lot more comfortable? If the coin dealer was a member of the ANA or PNG would that gain your trust?

3. What would a new coin dealer have to do to get your attention and make you feel welcome? If you approach the coin dealer, what would be the first words coming out of his mouth?

4. The coin dealer should have great customer service and a variety of authentic coins, what else do you think he or she should have?

5. Are you willing to buy from a website that is located overseas?

Thank you very much for your help. I am looking forward to reading your advice.
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07/31/2010 9:26 pm
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 Posted 07/31/2010  9:26 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add carmykle to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Female, blond haired, blue eyed, (or brunette with killer brown eyes) about 5' 8", articulate, built like the perverbial....never mind. Well versed in coins, paper, and stamps. Able to dance the tango and love cruises on my boat! (8 foot John Boat.)( OK, I'm kidding about most of that.) Well versed in coins, paper, and stamps is a must with deep pockets or a great banker that understands the coin business.
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 Posted 07/31/2010  9:29 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add carmykle to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
OK, my appologies to the ladies of the forum. My humor is probably lost on most anyways. Hey I'm old school and only care that a dealer is reputable, honest, and prompt.
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 Posted 07/31/2010  10:50 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add fioti to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Gotta have a bid board. I think it gives customers a sence of ownership. Largest draw my old dealer had was a collection of altered coins. I personally want to see what you've got so far. I have boxes of Swiss stuff bought from a dealer gone broke, and frankly don't know what these prices are about. Lots of rappens with 20.+ price tags on them.
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I like the idea of bid boards and buy boards for consignments.
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 Posted 08/01/2010  01:28 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Secret Argent Man to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I thought about starting my own online business too, so have a number of ideas. Sorry for the long post.

In terms of a physical store:

I like bid boards too. And a good assortment of reference books. Ideally, the more well-known books should have "store" copies.

Also, a willingness to trade is always good as is buying-though of course you have to be wary of stolen coins and I'm not immediately sure what the best way of doing that would be.

I also like an assortment of "lower priced" items-- both because I don't personally have the budget to spend, and because if you're going to be in it for the long-term (IE 10+ years) today's snotty-nosed little brat accompanying Dad is tomorrow's customer. I think a lot of coin dealers forget that and focus on the higher-value and more immediate sales. Which you can't blame them for of course, but we're speaking "ideal" here. And since it takes time to develop that trust, you should at least "appear" to be in it for the long haul, even if secretly you're not.

Part and parcel with this is (building a relationship) is the fact that the proprietor should never make customers feel stupid. Coin collecting has to be at the center of the owner's life but it is not necessarily at the center of the customer's-- and while customers like knowledge, intimidation is never a good thing. Therefore on that score I'd also say the proprietor should be a history buff as many coin people are also history people. A couple of neat historical artifacts or just weird, random interesting things you like might spark conversations--- A good conversation though allows you to open that line of communication and showcase your knowledge without being a know-it all.

As to a website:

I would definitely not buy from an overseas website unless it was a high-enough value item to make the shipping worth it, and was rare enough to not be able to source it locally. But then I'd have concerns about the authenticity of buying something like that essentially sight-unseen. So, I'd probably not do it.

I also would hesitate to buy anything of too much value from a website without a corresponding physical address. Perhaps I'm "old school" but I think the website ought to be an outgrowth of a store-- not vice versa. So a picture of the premises and of you personally is a good idea. Include one of your family, your pets, etc. People want to buy from someone they can trust, and nothing erodes trust like an anonymous site with a po box on it.

Site design and feel is important too and shouldn't be overlooked. Consider hiring an actual web designer (not the neighbor's kid who "knows a lot about computers")... I am not skilled enough to do it necessarily, but know enough here to give more info here if you want it. Also on the subject of site design make sure to include a glossary of terms so people who don't know what a VAM or an RPM is won't be put off when you use it. Oh, and spelling/grammar is king in my book so proofread everything.

One thing that I'd say though is not to necessarily offer the same items on the website and the store... I'd think the website should be more specific-- ie if you like Morgans, focus on the morgans indepth-- but the store would need to be more accessible to Joe Public. The website is competing with 1000 others, so you want a niche of sorts, to set yourself out from the other 999; the physical store will get random walk-in customers and therefore must be as generalized as possible.

ANA and/or PNG would give a modicum of confidence, as would a good listing with the BBB. Verisign or sitelock are good, but not as big as the previous. If you offer online ordering make sure to have a secure site.

I'd give a link to a website I've bought from previously & like but I'm not 100% sure it's allowed by the rules.
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08/01/2010 01:46 am
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 Posted 08/01/2010  02:02 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add turtleoverhead to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply

1. He would be happy with 20 % profit.
2. He has to gain my trust.
3. Answer my email same day and wouldn't call nonamerican coins "darksiders"
4. Great knowledge without letting me know how clever he is and the big library.
5. Yes, do it all the time.
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as always stated in marketing seminars: customer loyalty is a result of shared trust proven by initial transactions that are mutually beneficial.

Take extra good care of the first few orders. The first three transactions a dealer does with a new customer will spell the big difference, and the first three sales will always be in cents, or very low value purchases. somewhat feeling out the trust level.

points 1 to 5 are just door openers, what comes next after the door opens is crucial, it can easyly get slammed back shut.




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 Posted 08/01/2010  02:39 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add sel_69l to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
1): You will need an extensive reference book collection, which must be kept current,

2): you will need as large as possible a reference of fake coins, you will need this to protect both yourself and your customers,

3): you will need to be a subscriber to such an organisation as The International Bureau for Counterfeit Coins (IBSCC),

4) You will need to be a member of at least three good professional dealer associations. The documents to these should be properly presented and framed, and also shown on your website,

5) You will need to have a good user friendly website,

6) You will need to be an expert in as many of the specialist areas of numismatics as possible, to serve the largest customer base as possible,

7) You will need an extensive amount of quality stock; the best potential customers are interested in buying quality coins, not junk, that is where you will derive most of your profits,

8) You will need a sympathetic bank who can provide you with a good practicable working business overdraft,

9) you will need a well conceived business plan, which you must stick to, written down,

10) You will need a well conceived Mission Statement properly presented and framed.

11) As well of all of the usual good customer relation skills that all successful business have.

I would suggest that you also go to your State and Federal government offices and investigate all of the services they can offer in setting up a business. That may save you a lot of pain further down the track that are involved in business start-ups.
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08/01/2010 02:45 am
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Some years ago many ideas would be possible but today, it's probably mostly luck if you can make it big just starting out. As with many items in the past you have to sort of be on the first to try anything. After the first many, many others copy and soon more sellers than buyers.
Example is at one time VHS and Betal tapes for movies and home usage were gigantic so people opened stores selling them all over the world. Eventually the big stores started carrying them for less. Then DVD's started to replace those so many small stores were stuck with inventory that didn't sell. Then the internet started to sell movies so almost all the stores that delt with them too lost that buisness.
Remember Beanie Babies? At one time everyone was selling them for big dollars. Then that too fell apart and many stuck with large inventories. Not long ago to buy a coin you would have to go to a coin or hobby store. Then along came ebay and although there are still coin stores, not many make a decent living anymore. And web sites for coins too are as common as house flys so your chances with that today are also getting dimmer.
All in all it may be worth a try. Good luck is all I can say.
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 Posted 08/01/2010  11:24 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Libertad to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Give new customers good deals so they come back to you. Give regular customers good deals so they refer new customers to you. See where I'm going with this? Don't be greedy is the main thing, and your passion will come out, and others will recognize it and want to have that too.
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 Posted 08/01/2010  11:32 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Gothic Florin to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
IMO there are plenty of general coin dealers out there. I'd like to see someone who specializes and has a real knowledge in a specific area.
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 Posted 08/01/2010  12:50 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add vgasca to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Wow, I am very happy to see that many of you have taken the time to respond. I greatly appreciate your help. Before I start, I want to let you know that my focus is on world Gold coins, and Silver rare-date Suisse and US coins.

carmykle
Some of my friends gave me the same advice, of course they were kidding as well. Your last three words will be without a doubt a part of my business.

fioti
Bid board sounds like a good idea. Thanks. As for the Swiss coins that you have, I might be able to help you. I'm me and we can talk a little bit more.

vermontensium
I will look into the bid board. Thank you.

Secret Argent Man
All the different dealers that I know have a physical store and have later setup a website but I found that they were not very good at following their website and at time had a hard time keeping it up because of lack of knowledge.

I am going to attempt to start from a website and then to a physical address. I was going to put a PO Box address but I have had my doubts since I have been thinking that it may erode the buyers trust. You have just confirmed that.

I want to sell and buy coins but also inform. I want my site to be a place where the buyer or seller can buy what he/she needs and provide him/her with a wealth of information.

The website is something that I want it to be very professional looking and easy to navigate. Thus I have tried to do the best I can to make it look that way.

I am a Life Member at the ANA and will be looking into getting a membership other world recognize memberships.

Thank you for your input. Could you I'm me the website you were talking about? Thanks.

turtleoverhead
I want to give good prices for all type of grades thus I would not be greedy with the prices. I think the customer is king thus gaining his trust and giving excellent customer service is in my mind. Thank you for your input.

Nic
It is a very interesting what you have told me. Not long ago I bought a few coins from another collector and he sent me three other coins as gifts. He made me comfortable and then my next purchase was much larger. Now I keep in touch with him and when I am looking for something that I know he has I contact him.
Thanks.

sel_69l
Many good points. My business plan outlines many of the points you have mentioned. Thank you for all your advice.

just carl
I will have to admit that I am a bit afraid that the business may not succeed because of the amount of dealers that have websites. Something that I will be working for will be to distinguish my self from the other dealers. Many of the people in this forum have giving me a lot of good advice and I will take it because I want to succeed. I will look for innovative ideas and be different from the rest of the pack. Thank you for the analogy.

Libertad
I think the same thing you do. I will definitely find ways to have the customer come back. I think that in this business words like trust, customer satisfaction, excellent services, knowledge and giving good prices is important in order to have the customer come back and the customer would spread the word. Thank you.

Gothic Florin
I have found that many dealers know a little bit of everything. That is good but I have been gaining knowledge in gold coins after the 17th century and Swiss and US silver coins. Thus that will be my specialization. Thank you.


Everyone, thank you very much for all your advice and help. I will keep your advice in mind when I proceed to the next step. I do not think I am allowed to put reference my site but do a search for pmcex and you will find it. Please I'm me with your thoughts.

Thank you.








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