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SLQ Date Restoration Attempts Begin Tonight

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I've only been a member of this forum for a couple of years and in that time I must have seen at least a dozen threads from people wondering if it is possible to restore the dates on dateless Standing Liberty quarters, and I'm sure I've missed PLENTY of threads where it was discussed. It often comes up totally out of the context of the original posting.

Most folks could probably care less if a SLQ can be restored, but it holds a lot of fascination for some of us...and I'm one of THEM.

Many of you know that I restore dateless, worn out Buffalo nickels and sell them on ebay. That has caused some of you to make the quantum leap and assume that I might have the secret to restoring SLQs. Nothing can be further from reality! The coins are, obviously, of vastly different compositions and I'm just basically (though not ENTIRELY) using a very old science on the nickels. I can't take credit for anything more than doing a LOT of it and doing as well as I possibly can.

SLQs? Huh? You talkin' to me...? Who knows?

But starting tonight, I am going to do my best to figure it out. I am NOT a chemist, but I do have the advantage of working for a company that produces a commodity chemical and...guess what? We have lab tecnicians and goo-gobs of little beakers and flasks and all nature of containers of just about any chemical you can imagine back in the lab. They need all that stuff to analyze and test our products.

So I'll start off tonight with some of my own ideas and when those (probably) fail, I'll start bugging our lab rats for their opinions and ideas.

I have a few theories on how this will go. Here they are:

1.) I will probably fail miserably, no matter what I do
2.) If I have any success at all, it will only be on coins that are not too terribly worn
3.) Even if number 2 happens, the finished result will never come close to even the worst Buffalo nickel restoration and will probably be too weak to be captured with a camera.

I mention number 3 because the composition of the quarter is 90/10 silver to copper. If the chemical works only on the silver it will probably dissolve it completely away. (I've already had THAT happen to me!) If it only works on the copper it probably won't even show up. Nickels are 75/25 copper to nickel, a much better (I think) distribution to work with.

With regard to theory number 2, my first 3 subjects (shown below) have been deliberately picked because they are not aggregiously worn down. In fact, I'm pretty sure that's a ZERO showing on the first one, probably making it a 1920. The second quarter also seems to have some sort of remnant from the last digit but I cannot conclusively make it out. (Hold a gun to my head and I'd say it's either a 3 or a 4) The last quarter has absolutely nothing showing but, again, it's really not too badly worn.

So that's it. The adventure starts tonight. As I begin this epic journey I have 10 fingers and two functioning lungs and I'll try my best to make sure neither of those things change. For those of you who could care less...well...you probably stopped reading well before now. For you others - stay tuned.

Here are my first 3 subjects:

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Above quarter is probably a 1920

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Fragment of 4th digit is unrecognizable

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Nothing, nada, zip
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 Posted 08/13/2010  7:49 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add atlashealth to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
best of luck to you and be sure there is adequate ventilation!
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 Posted 08/13/2010  7:50 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add wolf-n-wa to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Good luck. I am curious to see how this comes together. WOLF
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 Posted 08/13/2010  7:51 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Fatboy to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Good Luck!
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This should be interesting! Good luck, and I will be monitoring this thread for results! It'd sure be awesome to be able to bring some dateless 1923-s slqs back from the dead.
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 Posted 08/13/2010  8:31 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add weerdsteev to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
johnny - Amen to that! 1921 wouldn't be too bad, either.
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I'll be interested to see how this turns out....
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 Posted 08/13/2010  10:06 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add carmykle to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
What he said, I have a bunch too.
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As my first step, I dipped them for 6 hours in jewelry cleaner. I want a clean surface with which to work and no ground-in gunk to foul whatever chemicals I use. And let's face it, a good cleaning is the LEAST of what I'm apt to do to them!

After 6 hours, the darkest coin, the one I think is a 1920, was remarkably clean. The other two improved but were still a little dirty so I put them back in to soak overnight.

Here's what the (maybe) 1920 looks like now. Holding it in my hand, I can still see what I think is a zero where that 4th digit should be, but not nearly as well as before I cleaned it. In my photo, below, it's almost impossible to pick it out.

Great. I hope this isn't a sign of things to come! I just started work and already I'm regressing!

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 Posted 08/14/2010  01:36 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add xshift to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Good luck, and be careful! We don't want you going *boom*

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 Posted 08/14/2010  01:37 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add afclassic87 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Good luck! It sure would be nice to bring a few of my dateless slq back to life! Keep us posted!
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 Posted 08/14/2010  01:45 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Waredu to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I too will be watching this closely. Good luck.
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 Posted 08/14/2010  06:04 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add rons to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
This sounds like a lot of fun. Keep copious notes so you can replicate any success you have and not repeat any of the failures ;)Isn't it odd how the zero just disappeared?
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Wow, I hope you can figure this out.
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 Posted 08/14/2010  10:35 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add weerdsteev to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Here are the other two quarters after sitting in the cleaner all night.

The first one is the one that (in my first post) I mentioned that I thought I saw a fragment of a fourth digit. I still see something there, but now I'm thinking it's really just a small gouge. Chances are that YOU can no longer see it AT ALL. I guess that is a problem one creates when one cleans the coin...it loses contrast. Before, that gouge or fragment was a slighly darker mark against a slightly lighter background. Now, it's all the same shade!

(By the way...I think you probably all know that these are type 2 quarters I'm working with. I'm not bothering to photograph and show the reverses because, unless I accomplish something good on the obverse, who cares about the reverse...right? Suffice to say the reverses on these three are in decent shape with no major defects, just like the obverses.)

I'm going to try something today with the 2nd quarter, below. (It's the third quarter in my original post.) This is the quarter where I detect absolutely NOTHING in the area where the date used to be.

I'll let you know how it comes out and what I used on it AFTER I try it out.

One more thing: I am NOT attempting to control the background lighting as I take these photos. I've set the camera on AWB and MACRO and am letting it do all the work. There is an eastward facing window in the room so depending on the time of day and weather conditions I might have sunlight coming into the room, diffuse daylight, or artificial (incandescent) light. The incandescent light is ALWAYS on, however, even if sunlight is pouring into the room. I mention this only because some of you will notice and may question why the lighting in the photos is not consistent.

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