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SLQ Date Restoration Attempts Begin Tonight

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 Posted 08/14/2010  12:23 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add afcop13 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Excellent thread - and I'm also very interested. I have a few rolls of D and S mint dateless SLQ's that I'm holding onto for a combination of reasons - one is silver content, the other that someday, maybe I'll find a way to date them.
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Yikes!

As my first experiment, I did something that I'm sure literally millions of people have already tried. I put some Nic-a-date on it.

I went a little further than that, actually. I put a pretty large quantity of Nic-a-date into a plastic cup. I then took a plastic hemostat, clamped it onto the quarter and positioned it into the liquid in such a way that the entire date area was immersed. I left it in for 5 minutes and pulled it out and it was every bit as dark as you see in my photos, below. I examined it closely and determined that it had not brought any of the date back. I then put it back into the liquid and drove off to my mother-in-law's for a fun filled day treating the black mold in her basement.

When I came home at about 1:00 AM I took it out again. It had been in the Nic-a-date for over 12 hours. To my eye the degree of darkness on the coin had not changed since the 5 minute mark I mentioned earlier, nor was there any evidence of any of the digits in the date.

The only thing that changed was that there now seemed to be something that looks very much like rust or corrosion at the level of Miss Liberty's knees. Whatever it is, it's brown and is distinctly different from the "dark" in the area where the date used to be. This line of "brown" is where the surface of the Nic-a-date met the air...sort of an air-chemical-metal convergence area. Hmmmm. Is that noteworthy, I wonder?

Please notice on the photo of the ENTIRE coin the Nic-a-date stain that extends up the right side (YOUR left) of the coin...sort of under "IN GOD". I produced that stain by dipping the coin back into the Nic-a-date for no more than two seconds and then immediately washing it off.

My point? The "damage" the Nic-a-date does to the coin happens almost immediately, but leaving it in the Nic-a-date for an extended period of time does not appreciably increase the damage.

It sure looked to me like a little dippity-doo into the jewelry cleaner would remove this stain...but it did absolutely NOTHING to remove or improve it.

So tomorrow (actually, later today) I'll fiddle around with this coin a bit more to see if I can get rid of the stain through chemical means and in the days ahead I'll start using more potent chemicals.

Here's a question to ponder: What if this had worked from the standpoint of restoring the date? Let's even go a step further and pretend it restored it as nicely as some dates can be restored on a Buffalo (or any other) Nickel. But let's also say the dark stain was unavoidable and NOT removable.

How good would you feel about having brought a dateless 1923-S quarter back into this world only to have it look like what you see below?

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08/15/2010 11:59 am
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Whew - if it had shown as a 23-s in that condition, then it'd be a tough sell even at 10%. If it came back as nicely as some buffs, then I'd be interested, if for nothing more than filler material until I trip over the 23-S I can afford.
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Well, this is interesting.

I dipped the edge of a 1 ounce silver bar into the Nic-a-date for 10 seconds and it darkened it, but not to the degree that it darkened the quarter. (See photos, below) Then I dipped part of the silver bar into the jewelry cleaner for 10 seconds, and while it didn't remove all of the stain, it did lighten it.

So...I know now that the Nic-a-date reacts with the silver AND NOT JUST with the copper. So what you see happening on the quarter is either a reaction to only the silver, OR, to both metals.

I'm betting it's BOTH just because the quarter came out darker and would not lighten up at all.

Is any of this important, seeing as I've already ruled out Nic-a-date as the magic bullet for restoring SLQs?

Probably only in the sense that it adds another data point in my quest...

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Interesting experiment. Good luck! I'll be watching this thread closely.
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 Posted 08/15/2010  8:26 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Wornslick to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Very interesting. I will watch this closely.
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 Posted 08/15/2010  10:33 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Americanamafia to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I have been watching this too... check out this link... I'm not sure if its relavant but it might be worth a try...

http://www.finishing.com/509/33.shtml

This explains whta dissolves sliver, and how as the conc. gets stronger... it is not always better... a good quick read.. I might try it myself If I can find a dateless SLQ ...
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08/15/2010 10:36 pm
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 Posted 08/15/2010  10:34 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Americanamafia to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
sorry mod's if that is not allowed, remove if nec.
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 Posted 08/16/2010  04:30 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add afcop13 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Mafia - if you need a dateless SLQ to test it on I have a few hundred. LMK.
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One last little Nic-a-date test before I move along to something else...

I wanted to confirm that Nic-a-date acts on copper and not just on silver, so I put a piece of copper pipe into it. Before and after photos are shown below....

Mafia: Thanks for the link to that article!

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Above is the before photo

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Above is the after photo. It took about 6 hours for the hole to develop.
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Quote:
Mafia - if you need a dateless SLQ to test it on I have a few hundred. LMK.


Sounds like fun! We really need to find you a 23-s afcop. Maybe you have one and just don't know it yet.
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afcop13-

Let me look arround and see if I can get some HNO3 from the lab... if I can trade for some SLQ's?
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 Posted 08/17/2010  01:52 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add numismo to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
weerdsteev if you can bring back even a little of the date on a dateless 1916, it'll all be worth it.
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weerdsteev if you can bring back even a little of the date on a dateless 1916, it'll all be worth it.


As the owner of 2 dateless 1916s, that is the one coin I would NEVER try it on. Pretty much all other dateless slqs are fair game.
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The 1916 SLQ can be identified even if the date is totally gone. I know, I have found one with no date, and ANACS slabbed it.
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