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Hmmmm... getting a little off topic but... another hypothetical question for all of you to chew on: IF (and it is a BIG if) you could be absolutely, 100% guaranteed that Chemical "X" would clearly restore the date on your dateless 1916 SLQ, and it would look similar to the way the restored dates look on Buffalo nickels (a little grainy), would you do it? And regardless if you would or would not do it, which do you think would be worth more if you were to try to sell it? Try to imagine an ANACS graded no date in FR-2 or PR-1 (or whatever the designation is) and another graded "G-4 details chemically altered" or maybe even "VG-8 details chemically altered." Which do you think people would pay more for, the dateless or date restored specimen. Remember...this is just hypothetical and based on that mighty big IF. Americanmafia - If johnny takes you up on your offer to trade dateless SLQs for nitric acid, how would you ship it to him? I'm not so sure the USPO would be too keen on (unknowingly?) handling nitric acid. |
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Quote:Hmmmm... getting a little off topic but... another hypothetical question for all of you to chew on: IF (and it is a BIG if) you could be absolutely, 100% guaranteed that Chemical "X" would clearly restore the date on your dateless 1916 SLQ, and it would look similar to the way the restored dates look on Buffalo nickels (a little grainy), would you do it? And regardless if you would or would not do it, which do you think would be worth more if you were to try to sell it? Try to imagine an ANACS graded no date in FR-2 or PR-1 (or whatever the designation is) and another graded "G-4 details chemically altered" or maybe even "VG-8 details chemically altered." Which do you think people would pay more for, the dateless or date restored specimen. Remember...this is just hypothetical and based on that mighty big IF. Americanmafia - If johnny takes you up on your offer to trade dateless SLQs for nitric acid, how would you ship it to him? I'm not so sure the USPO would be too keen on (unknowingly?) handling nitric acid. Well, the reason I said I would never try this on a dateless 16 is because that particular coin is identifiable without the need to view the date. I don't think that bringing out the date would increase the grade, so you would simply be left with a damaged FR2 1916 slq that you can see the date on. IMHO, that would decrease the value by hundreds to people who know the diagnostics. I suppose to some who may not believe it to be a 16 without the date, it would make the coin more marketable; but that is what we have TPGs for. Anyways, that is the only SLQ I can think of that this applys to. Any other dateless SLQs could only benefit from the process. |
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Totally crude representation of what I'm referring to and "imagining" in my previous post...but you get the idea, right? (Coin is cleaned; date is chemically restored - Again, this is just a Photoshopped figment of my imagination!)  |
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Johnny54321 - I hear ya, man - totally. Just looking for opinions.
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I personally would not pay more for a G4 restored date 1916 then a no-date G4 in an ANACS slab.
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08/17/2010 12:19 pm
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I suppose maybe an exception can be made if the dateless 16 is already really trashed..cleaned/damaged/dropped off of a building/ ran over by a train etc.   |
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weerdsteev
I would not ship him the acid... I would trade him some of my junk sliver for a SLQs so I could test them... sorry if that read wrong...
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Quote:
Again, this is just a Photoshopped figment of my imagination!) I wish finding out the date on a dateless SLQ was as easy as learning how to spot dateless 1916's. |
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I'm moving into phase 2 tonight. I've read in a couple different places where people *claim* to have had some success doing this with vinegar. Vinegar?!?! I don't need no steenking vinegar! I have in my possession a bottle of 25% strength acetic acid. Regular table vinegar is anywhere between 4% and 8% acetic acid, so this bottle of 25% is at least 3 times stronger than that. Does anybody have any guesses what will happen when I try this? I'm being serious...and I do not know the answer yet. Any guesses?  Edited by weerdsteev
08/17/2010 8:35 pm
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Its a weaker acid than the nitric I refered to in an earlier post, what it rally comes down to is can you form a silver salt from acetic acid. ex will it form silver acetate AgOAc. I believe it will but not to the degree that you would want, if it does work you will need to change the vinegar every day or so as I believe it will reach a very small equlibrium between silver acetate and acetic acid, and once it reaches this... no more siver acetate will form. Biokemist might come along and chime in though...
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If you wanted to speed this up .... you could gently heat the acetic acid you should be able to tell though. I still believe your best luck will be with nitric acid, a strong acid... heated slowly... and you should be able to get the silver to start to dissolve...
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Mafia,
Oh, trust me. I have dissolved silver in nitric acid. As in, "Oh *expletive*!"
I can get acetic acid full strength...well...it would be crystalline if I did, but I can get stronger than 25%. Do you think there'd be any benefit in that?
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AmericanMafia - shoot me a PM regarding the SLQ trades - we can surely work something out. I can send you a couple of each MM to practice on.
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weerdsteev,
I dont know honestly, Id imagine going with the cheapest per molar concentration. I would start with somthing moderatly strong first and see if it does anything. But I would imagine that you will be changing soloutions unless you had somthing to precipitate the silver out with to shift the equlibrium back.
On another possibility note... just as an idea, perhaps electrolosis slowly at low voltage may remove some of the silver at a rate you could see the date appear before the coin dissolves?
.. just another thought, I would say the acetic acid is worth a shot b/c you already have it.
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I say cheapest per molar conc if you have to change frequently to keep the acid cost down.
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