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I hope this picture shows up. Not very good,but the best I have at the present time. If you look at the eagle's wing on the right side, facing the eagle, you will see a blank spot where the feathers failed to be imprinted. The area is smooth and no marks except for the few feathers that did imprint. Also, look at the eagle's breast and you'll notice that the feathers are not there for the most part. After the change in the 1956 proof, the eagle was suppose to be bold and beautiful (type 2) but this coin was not paying attention and is worse than the old type 1. I can describe it more based on questions from our members. Susan also got to see this coin and can lend some thoughts to the topic. Thanks for any input, Berry  Edited by Metalman
08/07/2006 11:57 am
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Picture did not come through on first message. I guess the file is too large, will try again later... If someone would be so kind as to allow me to email the picture to them, maybe they could upload it for me. My computer is not computing due to "berry error". Thanks,
berry
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08/05/2006 08:14 am
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I think you can upload an size image to the new gallery. Try to upload it there and post the link here.
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Thanks laxmaster92, I have to have 50 posts before I am eligible to post to the gallery. I am getting close, so will use that technique when I get to the 50 post level, since I don't know photography very well.
Berry
7 AUG 06
Finally had to have Metalman post picture for me. Thanks for the kindess Rick!!!
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08/07/2006 12:19 pm
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Hi Berry
Its hard to tell from the pics just how bad the coin is, but from what I can see, it just looks like a very poorly struck coin,from a mostly worn out die. I do not see anything to indicate that it was struck through anything, or that the die was clogged.
Rick
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08/07/2006 12:57 pm
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Sorry for the poor photography Rick, I know that it is difficult to make a judgement on something that is barely viewable. For a point of reference I'll say the Eagle's right wing as you face it. This wing has over one-half of the wing underside that is just as clean and plain as the non-struck surfaces on the coin. It is smooth and bright which is great except it is suppose to have feathers in that smooth bright area. Even the upper part of the right wing has not been properly struck. I have another 1957 Proof Franklin that has almost the same characteristics, but not as much of the wing is missing. One last thing Rick, I also have a 1958 Proof Franklin that has part of the main right wing missing feathers!! I recently purchased the 1957 Proof that is being shown, and the other two coins I have had for a number of years. I got the pictured proof from Maryland, and the other two proofs I bought in Denver over twenty years ago. I'm not even a variety and error coin collector, but now that I found the varieties, I have to find out what I have. I know the Coin World's "Coin Values" has a narrative on Franklin half dollars and it states: "There both high relief and low relief Eagle varities of some dates, as well as variations in the number of feathers depicted on the Eagle". Who would be a good person (other than the grading firms) to contact who might be knowledgeable about the Franklin series who might be willing to correspond with me? I know one person wrote a book on Franklins, but have lost his info. Rick, again thanks for your kindness, Berry |
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Hi Berry 1957 happens to be a year that I have a few franklins for,, the proof coins for 1957 are all type II coins the type I's are all business strike,, 58 's have a mixture of about 80% type 1 and 20 % type II from the use of retired proof dies to strike business strike coins, all 58 proof coins are type II. Your coin is definitly understruck and it is possible that the die had some clogging or filling ,,but the lettering also looks mushy , this is more indicative of worn and over polished dies than an error. 1957 Proof Reverse   Rick |
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Rick, now you have posted what I call "Pictures". Great job!!!I thought that in 1956 they changed the Eagle design on Proofs and there were very few proofs of the Type 1 Eagle. As a matter of fact, I read somewhere that a PR? (not 70) Type 1 was worth a small fortune becaue they were so rare... I'm doing this from memory and I should know better, but I am a daring person sometimes. That 57 Proof you posted is beautiful and if you remove 60% of the feathers from the right wing, that is what my proof looks like. The coin is in an old-time snap holder and does not allow for good viewing, I would guess my proof is a PR65 Cameo, at worst. I will learn this stuff, but by the time I do, I will be off onto commemoratives...
thanks for your time and input Rick,
Berry
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Sorry Lou, I don't know how I missed this thread. I've seen the coin in hand and part of the wing is definitely not struck at all. The surface is completely mirrored and it looks like it was supposed to be that way. It's a very interesting error. I probably should have brought that one home for you along with the Mercury dime to post pics. By the way, Bobby said he's going to get to the pics soon. He's been caught up in working on a bunch of stuff for the CC site and hasn't been able to get the pics yet. Don't worry, if he doesn't do it in the next two days, I'll just have to beat him up!  |
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Ok Berry here is what I find ,, unfortunately I do not have one of these to photograph !! The 1956 type II reverse looks alot like the coin that you have with only three distinct feather on the left of the eagle,, the right wing although completely outlined has next to no detail to the feathers, this makes it possible that your coin is a 1957 with the reverse of a 1956,, I do not have the resources to investigate the 1956 die pairs for markers, but this info certianly makes the coin worth the time it will take to track down the info . Sorry it took me so Looooog to grasp what you were trying to tell me !! What can I say I'm a young head full of mush !! well a head full of mush any way !!  I will see what I can find for internet resources !! It would be a very big help if the coin could be photographed in detail on the reverse!! Perhaps Bobby could help with that ? Susan what do you think? Rick Edited by Metalman
08/08/2006 03:25 am
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Susan, thanks for your input, it stated more clearly what I was trying to say. Please, if you have to beat Bobby up, use wet spaghetti noodles, that way he won't get bruise marks.
Thanks Susan,
Lou
Rick, I am leery of the people that say their head is full of mush, these people wind up with Rolls Royces and Lamborghinis. Rick, seriously all the help you provide will be greatly appreciated. My computer crashed on me this AM and it took me over three hours to locate the problem. I have a router and had to bypass the router in order to get the internet.
Thanks Rick,
Lou
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08/08/2006 10:40 am
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I'm actually a computer guy, I think I know what the problem with your router might be. Ask someone you know who knows computers about "statically unconfiguring" your router.
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