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 Posted 08/23/2010  6:01 pm Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add minerscoin to your friends list Get a Link to this Message Number of Subscribers
Token I picked up. The lettering is incused on the front and raised on the reverse. There are also a few letters like the PIT as in pittsburgh (where this brewery was located) on the reverse that are not on the obverse. What kinda error is this. Also the backward lettering on the reverse does not line up with the front lettering. What caused this type of error.



Incused Letters

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Raised Letters

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08/23/2010 7:52 pm
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 Posted 08/23/2010  6:18 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Waredu to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I would say not an error. One was stacked on top of another and they were pressed together, probably with a vise.
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 Posted 08/24/2010  12:08 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add coppercoins to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I disagree. I cannot tell the exact type of error because I'm not that well versed on them, but it appears to be a brockage. A lot depends on how these were struck. You cannot always assume U.S. mint methods were used in private manufacture.
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 Posted 08/24/2010  1:38 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add biokemist6 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply

Quote:
You cannot always assume U.S. mint methods were used in private manufacture.



I have no idea what a "normal" token of this type is supposed to look like nor do I know how it was manufactured, all important facts to determine what is going on here. Many private tokens were made very crudely compared to US Mint(or even other world mints) coins so some sloppiness is to be expected. I do not know what it would take to rise to the level of being an actual "error" but tokens like this are so obscure that there really isn't much of a market for errors.

BTW,
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08/24/2010 1:39 pm
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 Posted 08/25/2010  10:22 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Conder101 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
He hs this pictured in another forum and over there it was suggested that it is a die clash. I suspect they are probably correct.

This token was struck using a die that had the inscription in raised reversed letters for the obv, and it appears the reverse was a blank steel die. It looks like they used someone elses token for the planchet material. The blank reverse die almost completely crushes away the original token design.

At some point the dies clashed and the lettering was faintly transfered to the blank die face. Then when this token was struck the reverse still crushed the original design but the clash shows as faint raised reversed lettering.
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08/25/2010 10:25 am
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 Posted 08/25/2010  10:46 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add minerscoin to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Yeah the clashed die idea seems right. Thanks for your help guys.
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