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Cannot Find Any Information On This Coin Dated 1702

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My grandfather has a small coin collection. He said they were all European coins.

There was one particular coin that caught my eye.

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Date: 1702
Amount: Six Pence

Front of the Coin

It is filled with red and blue. Not sure what it is made of but appears to be original.

Back of the Coin

Person: Edwardvs VII
Writing: Edwardvs VII DEI GRA: BRITT: OMN: REX: FID: DEF: IND: IMP


I have attached a picture of the coin. But the only think is, the coin in the picture does not have the red and blue colouring. But it is identical other then the date and colour.

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The red and blue "filling" is called enamelling. Enamelled coins were the latest craze back in the late 1800's and early 1900s. The enamelling was not done by the mint, but by private individuals. See Google images for lots of examples of the process, both modern and contemporary with yours.

In this day and age when "enamelling" is usually done with epoxy resin or other plastics, enamelling coins using old-style vitreous enamel (a glass-like substance which had to be baked onto the surface in a kiln) has become a lost art. The most skilled artists could put four, five, or even up to seven colours at once, and to this day we have no idea how they managed to enamel both sides of a coin.

The date should be "1902". Edward VII reigned from 1901 to 1910. Presumably the enamelling process has blurred the date.
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Thanks for the info. Maybe I am seeing the date incorrectly. Could you give me an estimate on the value of tsomething like this. The coin seems to be mint condition other then the facts it has a gouge in the enamel.
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I have confirmed the coin is dated 1702.
Could it possibly be a miss print?

100% dated 1702 on the coin.
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I don't believe the design even existed in 1702 so if thats the date then I would question its authenticity
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We're going to need to see pics of your coin to see what's going on with it.

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Could it possibly be a miss print?

Extremely improbable, but not impossible. "Wrong date" mint errors are generally scarce, and very popular with error/variety collectors when they become known. From The Royal Mint, they're even scarcer. If such a variety existed it would almost certainly have been spotted before now.

The probability of such an extremely scarce mint error then being used to make an enamelled coin is vanishingly small. Occam's Razor suggests that it is damage to the date area caused by the enamelling process that's made the 9 look like a 7.
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