Charles II Threepence... Would Like To Find Out More About

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grnidmonstress New Member United States 1 Posts	Posted 09/06/2010 01:09 am A couple of weeks ago my twelve year old son, while on a trip to the Plymouth area of Massachusetts, stumbled across this coin~ He literally tripped and fell right onto it in an old river bed he was crossing while on a self guided tour of Pilgrim settlements. Knowing my love for all things old (I am an history major with my emphasis on 14-17th century British history) he thought to bring it home to me as my souvenir. I have been doing some research on this piece and from what I can tell (from very, very little available information) it appears to be a Charles II hammered silver threepence. The flan of the coin on the obverse reads "REX Carolvs II D G M BR FR Et HI". There appears to be a crown mint mark between REX and CAROLVS. There is also a strange, possibly geometric mark under the denomination of III. On the reverse, is a cross over shield of arms for France, Ireland, Scotland and England. Being hammered, it seems that it must have been minted before 1663. Is there a way to tell for certain when it was minted? What I would also like to know is if this a part of a Maundy set, or if there is any way to tell where this particular piece was minted ? It seems rather in remarkable condition, though shows just a hint of wear on the reverse around the Scottish quarter of the shield (top right hand quarter). v Any information you can offer me would be wonderful...My son is bursting at pride with his find and I would love to share everything I can with him about this. Thank you! Edited by grnidmonstress 09/06/2010 01:12 am Report this Post to the Staff

sel_69l Bedrock of the Community Australia 21786 Posts	Posted 09/06/2010 02:46 am Considering the find spot, that coin has great American historical signicance. There well may be other coins or other historical artifacts in the area. It could prove to be of great interest to a local museum, who may be able to help further explore the find area. Such a museum would DEFINITELY want to know of your find. A good reference that I use is 'Coincraft's Standard Catalogue of English and UK Coins 1066 to Date', publ. London, Krause publications. Go to your friendly coin dealer, he may a copy in stock which he may let you look at, or even use as a shop reference copy. I buy old shop reference copies of Krause World Coins, usually at a considerable discount. Report this Post to the Staff
xshift Pillar of the Community United States 2669 Posts	Posted 09/06/2010 03:25 am Welcome to the forum! The closest one I could find in Spink's Coins of England & The United Kingdom is in the Provincial & Civil War Issues, 1638-1649. Are there the letters "EBOR" above the shield? (I can't see well enough on the picture) The reverse cross fleury on the one in here, though, goes through to the outer circle, while the one on yours stops at the inner circle. Also, on the obverse, the legend reads CAROLVS II D G MA BR.. There are similar designs in prior years, but no three pences are listed in here for Charles II at all until this one. There could be variations (or one I'm not seeing/not listed in here).. this is just the closest one I could find. I'm sure someone else will chime in with more info On a side note, that was quite awesome of your son to bring that to you! Report this Post to the Staff
Sap Moderator Australia 16809 Posts	Posted 09/06/2010 03:53 am The coin is Charles II, not Charles I. This coin is listed in Spink as number 3325. These were the last hammered coinage, struck between the accession of Charles II in 1660 and the adoption of machine-struck coinage early in 1663. "1660-1662" is the usual date range given. There's no other indication of the actual year of issue; the same crown mintmark appears on all these coins. I don't know what the countermark is. Don't say "infinitely" when you mean "very"; otherwise, you'll have no word left when you want to talk about something really infinite. - C. S. Lewis Report this Post to the Staff
xshift Pillar of the Community United States 2669 Posts	Posted 09/06/2010 1:55 pm Thank you, Sap. I was in the completely wrong section! No wonder I couldn't find it Report this Post to the Staff
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