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Hello,

I was wondering if I'm the only person who collects American Silver Eagle coins at numismatic prices rather than investor prices. I don't really care much about the spot price of silver but typically pay no more than $25 for a coin which is way higher than most investors like to go and I notice most dealers at coin shows sell their coins for $22 and have for at least the last year. I tried learning about investing but would rather just collect because it is less confusing and stressful and a lot more fun. I just don't get silver investing it is so confusing.

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My wife collects those and pays between $20-$25 for them. Most of the time it is the lower of the price range.
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 Posted 09/13/2010  5:45 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add MetalMouth to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Every dealer around here wants 22-30 for them but I refuse to pay that much over spot for them. I went to a shop today and the guy honestly told me he wanted 30 a piece for them, I pulled out my iphone and pulled up the current spot price and showed it to him and asked why is he asking so much for them, he told me to leave and not to come back lol.
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Numismatic prices are the same as investor prices...there are no specific American eagles that are priced just for investors.


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Every dealer around here wants 22-30 for them but I refuse to pay that much over spot for them. I went to a shop today and the guy honestly told me he wanted 30 a piece for them, I pulled out my iphone and pulled up the current spot price and showed it to him and asked why is he asking so much for them, he told me to leave and not to come back lol.



IMO that was a lack of manners on your part. It's his shop, he can price anything at any price he wants. If that was my shop my reactions would have been the same as his, and expecting Silver Eagles at spot is unreasonable.
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09/13/2010 5:54 pm
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 Posted 09/13/2010  6:03 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add MetalMouth to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
There is no reason for him to be asking 30 dollars though, I can understand 22-25 but 30? C'mon guy...
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 Posted 09/13/2010  6:06 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add snitchard to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Hello,

My local dealer sells ASE's for $25 regardless of spot pricing. since coin show dealers sell them for $22 I don't mind paying my local dealer a few dollars more because he gives me deals in other areas plus he has overhead and stuff. I realize coin show dealers have overhead too in fact I once asked a dealer why he would not go any lower on a coin and he flat out told me because of the cost to rent space at a coin show he wants to make a little bit of money, that made sense to me.

Rich
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To the OP, I think what you are really refering to is; To an investor, every penny/premium matters, since your purpose is to make money. right? If so, it is important to look for the deal. $16.75 (the price I paid in July for 35 ASE's*) vs, 18.00, vs 20,00, vs 25.00 etc. It all depends on who you are buying from and where you re getting it, but that price is really the first concern.

So, if you are buying as a collector, looking for the ceratin mint and condition, to enjoy and save, price does not matter near as much. Sounds like you have decided you are a collector.

Of cource, most of us are a mix, leaning to one side or another.

* I got very lucky, with a classified ad, which turned out to be a retired car dealer who had them as Overstock to a promotion. He very specifically was asking $16.75 per (no less) and that is exactly what I gave him. :)
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How far it travels, and overhead, factor in to the price.

Coin shows' overheads are quite high. For two days it's like a month's-worth of rent. Better bring your A-grade.
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I buy Silver Eagles for the fun of it. I don't expect to realize a profit. My granddqaughter may, since if she sells them years down the road she will make 100% profit on the current value at that time. I collect them, just recently put a complete set of uncirculated together. I will continue to add to my set as the years go on, and now am starting a second set for her, starting with the year she was born. Average here is about $25 each (in single). I get them for $22 because I'm a regular customer at a certain shop, and she can count on me to have cash in hand when I walk through the door, rather than junk silver or gold to sell her. I have developed a good relationship with the shop manager. She will even call me if she finds something she thinks I may be interested in. She discounts everything I've purchased.

I'm not buying into the silver hype. As soon as the price hits a peak it will fall quickly because those hoarding the metal will quickly flood the market trying to cash in. I just don't see a big score happening with silver.
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I was wondering if I'm the only person who collects American Silver Eagle coins at numismatic prices rather than investor prices.


You're not the only one!
I did the same thing for a while. I had the whole set (no proofs) and kept it current for quite a while. I ended up selling them to fund another coin purchase.

I always expect to pay fairly hefty premiums over spot for them. It doesn't really bother me since I also sold them for a nice premium over spot.
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My brother-in-law collects proof ASE. Only one's that are NGC certified PF70DC.

They cost a lot more than $25 though.
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With all the premiums dealers are charging, buy some key date coins and stay away from bullion. That's what I'm doing. No way I'm paying 80 over spot for gold and 10 over spot for silver. That's just me. Having said that, of course they have to make a profit so they are not going to sell anything at melt but yeah, $30 IMO is a bit high.

APMEX has them right now for $1.97 over spot @ $22.97 each
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I don't collect those but a freind of mine does. And every time he asks anyone how much for one, if they start with the price of Silver, he just walks away. He doesn't even turn around when they start with I've got great prices on those. He just walks away.
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$30 is definitely a high price and I would never pay that much, it's just that showing your iPhone to him in his own place of business and demanding why the prices are so high was pretty inconsiderate IMO. Doing that at any shop would have gotten the same, if not worse reaction.
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Hello,


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vermontensium: APMEX has them right now for $1.97 over spot @ $22.97 each


I just looked at APMEX and a 1987 ASE is $22.97 plus $12.95 for shipping which means I'd be paying $35.92 for 1 ASE!! Then I saw they have a $50 minimum order policy and I'm not an investor so I'd rather buy a 1987 from my local dealer for $25 at the most knowing that if I "overpaid" it was only by like $2. The other option is to get it at a coin show for no more than $22. My local dealer told me to treat an ASE like any other coin especially if I'm not investing and by doing that with my pricing strategy I have learned that I'm really not over paying and to me that is all that matters. Besides if I'm paying $22 and spot is around $20.50 at the moment I'm still happy.

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$30 is definitely a high price and I would never pay that much, it's just that showing your iPhone to him in his own place of business and demanding why the prices are so high was pretty inconsiderate IMO. Doing that at any shop would have gotten the same, if not worse reaction.


I think its pretty darn funny. Who else can say they have been kicked out of a coin shop before? I dont blame him some dealers are ripping the unknowns a new one and smiling all the way to the bank.
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