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Pre-1971 Cameo Coins

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 Posted 09/14/2010  11:39 pm Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add Secret Argent Man to your friends list Get a Link to this Message Number of Subscribers
So, for pre-71 proof and "special mint sets" I know that cameo coins have a higher value, but I've found a lot of cameo dimes as compared to the other coins... am I safe to assume that a cameo dime is more common than a cameo quarter or half? I was looking the other day at the cherrypicker's guide it has a list of the average die life per denomination...dime is way higher than the rest so I assume the cameos would follow suit...

Reason I ask is that I just got today a 1964 dime that looks like it might even make a deep cameo... any added value to that?

(And before you ask, no pics... our baby was due Saturday, so the camera is in the "go" bag fully charged, and were that to change it would mean a sudden and painful death for yours truly!)
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 Posted 09/15/2010  10:26 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Conder101 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply

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Reason I ask is that I just got today a 1964 dime that looks like it might even make a deep cameo... any added value to that?

Yes, any pre-1971 cameo is worth some premium, a deep cameo would be worth a lot more than a none cameo.


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I was looking the other day at the cherrypicker's guide it has a list of the average die life per denomination...dime is way higher than the rest so I assume the cameos would follow suit...

Actually it should work the other way around. Longer die life would mean fewer cameos. The cameos are created by the brand new dies and the cameo wears and diminishes quickly, say the first 200 coins. But if the die has a longer die life it is replaced less often which means fewer brand new dies and fewer cameos. what you probably saw in the die life comparisons in the Cherrypickers were probably for the business strike dies, not the proof dies. (As a general rule the larger the diameter of the die the shorter the die life. The life of the five cent dies is atypical because the solid copper nickel alloy is harder than the clad composition and so more damaging to the dies resulting in shorter die life. The cent die has a longer life because the metal for the cents is softer than the clad.)
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 Posted 09/15/2010  12:37 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add daviscfad to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
did the mint just not polish up the dies or something before 1971?
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Yes they were polished but they were not etched or treated to create the frosted devices. So the dies would be hardened which would leave them dark and covered with an oxide layer. Then they would be cleaned, probably with a slight acid solution. This would give the whole face of the die a lightly matte surface. Then the die face would be polished. This polished the fields but not the devices. Coins struck from these polished dies would show the cameo effect but since the matte finish in the devices was not heavy the metal movement from striking polishes away that cameo. Then the proof dies were used longer back then and repolished on occasion. The result being that most pre 1971 proofs are brilliant profs with little or no contrast between the devices and the fields.

After about 1973 the dies are sandblasted which results in a strong frosted finish, and then the fields are polished. This gives a strong cameo contrast. And the proof dies are now just used for a few thousand strikes at most before the dies are retired. So the cameo rarely has a chance to significantly diminish.
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 Posted 09/16/2010  2:29 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add daviscfad to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
thanks for that information Conder!
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