Coin Community Family of Web Sites Join Thousands of Coin, Bullion, & Money Collectors
Join Thousands of Coin, Bullion, & Money Collectors Specializing in Modern Numismatics Vancouvers #1 Coin and Paper Money Dealer 300,000 items to help build your collection! Coin, Banknote and Medal Collectors's Online Mall Shop for APMEX Bullion on eBay!Royal Canadian Mint products, Canadian, Polish, American, and world coins and banknotes.








Username:
Password:
Save Password
Forgot your Password?


This page may contain links that result in small commissions to keep this free site up and running.

Welcome Guest! Registering and/or logging in will remove the anchor (bottom) ads. It's Free!

2009 Presidential Dollar Dropped Letter

To participate in the forum you must log in or register.
Author Previous TopicReplies: 17 / Views: 5,952Next Topic
Page: of 2
New Member
John Morris's Avatar
United States
12 Posts
 Posted 09/16/2010  1:11 pm Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add John Morris to your friends list Get a Link to this Message Number of Subscribers
This is a coin I found roll searching from a mint wrapped roll from my bank. The coin has been certified by Ken Potter and Mike Diamond as a dropped letter. This is only the second dropped letter occurring on the edge of the presidential series. I'm now going to have it slabbed and then.....who knows?

2009-Presidential-Dollar-Dropped-Letter
Pillar of the Community
Namachieli's Avatar
United States
2120 Posts
 Posted 09/16/2010  1:27 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Namachieli to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I fail to realize the purpose of this thread.

Pillar of the Community
Scooby Due's Avatar
United States
4000 Posts
 Posted 09/16/2010  1:48 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Scooby Due to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
This series is known for embossed letters coming from other coins, which is damage. I can't tell from the pics if the letter is incuse or in relief and being a "T" rules out mirror image diagnostics.

But, if you say Mike and Ken have verified it - great!

Why did you have them both look at it? Did you not trust one or the other?

As far as there only being 2 of them - where did you get that info? I assume you are priming the pump to sell it? How does the rest of the coin look? How do you think it would grade?
New Member
John Morris's Avatar
United States
12 Posts
 Posted 09/16/2010  1:48 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add John Morris to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Hmmmm.........I am a newbie and this is my first post so perhaps I posted it in the wrong section if so my deepest apologies. If indeed it is in the right section I thought collectors would be interested in a unique find.Or perhaps people in the error thread wouldn't be interested in an error at all.
Pillar of the Community
Scooby Due's Avatar
United States
4000 Posts
 Posted 09/16/2010  1:58 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Scooby Due to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
We love errors! I especially like dropped letter errors. I think your initial post came across like a sales pitch.
New Member
John Morris's Avatar
United States
12 Posts
 Posted 09/16/2010  2:13 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add John Morris to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Long story but last year on another forum I posted the pic of the coin as a possible dropped letter and Mike Diamond insisted it was a contact mark. Knowing who Ken Potter was I sent the coin to him and he certified it to be a dropped letter. Mike Diamond contacted me and ask to see the coin. I sent it to him and his first impression was that it was not a dropped letter. After a week of testing to see if he could duplicate it he found he could not. His conclusion is that it is indeed a dropped letter and sent a letter to verify it.

In the July issue of Numismaster.com Ken Potter doing an article on the coin stated that it was only the second edge dropped letter on the Prez series he has seen, the first being in 2007. My next step is to send it to NGC to be graded and I believe it will grade Ms-66 or 67. Right now I'm not sure about selling it as I have a nice start on the dollar errors. I have found 10 smooth edge Washington dollars in one roll. I had 5 graded and sold three. I have found and kept a Polk slipped lettering error graded by ANACS as a ms-67.

If someone offered a price I couldn't refuse of course I'd sell it.
New Member
John Morris's Avatar
United States
12 Posts
 Posted 09/16/2010  2:19 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add John Morris to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
RE-reading my initial post it does sound like a sales pitch....sorry about that. I am very curious about the value as there is nothing out there to compare it to. When I begin collecting errors it was due to my 11 year old granddaughters interest in errors she saw at a show I took her to, so most if not all of the coins will be passed to her.
Pillar of the Community
Scooby Due's Avatar
United States
4000 Posts
 Posted 09/16/2010  2:21 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Scooby Due to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Sweet! Dropped letters are one of my favorite errors. Of course, I would prefer the "traditional" dropped letter(s) on the obv/rev.

Bummer is, once it's slabbed, you can't see the error!

Remember, when you get it back from NGC,
Bedrock of the Community
biokemist6's Avatar
United States
12437 Posts
 Posted 09/16/2010  3:58 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add biokemist6 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply


I thought I recognized that photo Congratulations on your find, that is a tough one.

In this case, a letter "T" was clogged. Later, the offending material fell out of the "T" recess in the die like Jello from a mold. It fell into the coining chamber and onto the collar. The coin was then struck, impressing the T-shaped goop into the edge.

After the strike, the foreign material fell off out of the edge of the coin, resulting in a perfectly shaped inverted and incuse (recessed) letter "T" struck into the coin's edge just in front of the Philadelphia "P" mintmark. The fact that it may appear raised in the photo is an optical illusion.

Most dropped letters, (or numerals or other areas of design), are typically found on the obverse or reverse of a coin, but extra careful attention to the edges on edge-lettered coins (such as the Presidential series) has resulted in dropped letter errors being found on the edges in recent years (though the number of reports is still very small). The increased use of horizontal coin minting presses may also be a factor since gravity would increase the chances of this occurring where it was less likely with the traditional vertical style minting technology.

http://www.numismaster.com/ta/numis...icleId=12295
Pillar of the Community
Scooby Due's Avatar
United States
4000 Posts
 Posted 09/16/2010  4:34 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Scooby Due to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Where are my manners?!
to CCF!
Pillar of the Community
jakeW's Avatar
United States
689 Posts
 Posted 09/16/2010  5:49 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add jakeW to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
some TPGs (maybe not the big 3) have a halo ring on their slab that allows you to see the rim. MSNS I believe is who carries it.
New Member
John Morris's Avatar
United States
12 Posts
 Posted 09/16/2010  6:16 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add John Morris to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Thanks for the welcome Scooby Due I'm going to enjoy this forum I think.
NGCs holder will show the edge as well. I have some smooth edge Washingtons in them.
I have a slipped edge lettering error in an ANACS holder that I'm not really happy with.
Bedrock of the Community
Conder101's Avatar
United States
17884 Posts
 Posted 09/17/2010  11:20 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Conder101 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply

Quote:
Bummer is, once it's slabbed, you can't see the error!

If NGC places it properly in an edge view holder you will still be able to see the error.
Pillar of the Community
rockdude's Avatar
United States
1807 Posts
 Posted 09/18/2010  01:47 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add rockdude to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Welcome to the forum
Bedrock of the Community
coop's Avatar
United States
62064 Posts
 Posted 09/18/2010  4:14 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add coop to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Is there a dent on the edge of the coin with the T? If so it could be two coins that hit together transferring the edge design to the second coin in that area? Especially if the T is raised and not incuse like the rest of the devices on the rim.
New Member
John Morris's Avatar
United States
12 Posts
 Posted 09/19/2010  11:55 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add John Morris to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
No dent occurring with the T but I'm confused by the question. The T is incused not raised it is about the same depth of the P mint mark. Second coin? In addition to my coin or another coin which would make 3 coins?
  Previous TopicReplies: 17 / Views: 5,952Next Topic
Page: of 2

To participate in the forum you must log in or register.



    




Disclaimer: While a tremendous amount of effort goes into ensuring the accuracy of the information contained in this site, Coin Community assumes no liability for errors. Copyright 2005 - 2026 Coin Community Family- all rights reserved worldwide. Use of any images or content on this website without prior written permission of Coin Community or the original lender is strictly prohibited.
Contact Us  |  Advertise Here  |  Privacy Policy / Terms of Use

Coin Community Forum © 2005 - 2026 Coin Community Forums
It took 0.43 seconds to rattle this change. Forums