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Is This A No D Weak Or No D Strong?

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 Posted 09/22/2010  2:22 pm Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add twohawks to your friends list Get a Link to this Message Number of Subscribers
I just wonder if this 1922 is a No D strong Reverse Or a No D Weak? The true color is chocolate brown the flash gave it this hue.





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 Posted 09/22/2010  8:21 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add twohawks to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
No Takers on this one? The coin has too much ware for me to be sure.
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 Posted 09/22/2010  8:35 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add GR58 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
In my opinion

This could be a die #2 1922 no D
- No trace of a D
- second 2 is stronger than the first
- All letters in "TRUST" are sharp. ( in yours I think "trust" is stronger then rest of motto)
- We is mushy
- L in liberty butts the rim
- strong reverse with nice wheat lines.

This is a coin that should be sent to a TPG. The "ding" under the date, is the biggest problem IMO.
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 Posted 09/22/2010  9:12 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add twohawks to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Thanks That is kind of what I was thinking. I will TPG this one. I have it as a 12 to 15

The PMD under the date is too bad. But it is what it is!
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 Posted 09/22/2010  9:47 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add GR58 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I hope I did not say that in a negative way. About the ding. I agree .. it is what it is.

I would just hope that a TPG would not be hard on the grade, because of it. On something like that (ding) I do not know how TPG's deal with it.

I think it is a very nice coin, and would love to have it in my Lincoln album.
But I would send it in, just for peace of mind.
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 Posted 09/22/2010  10:11 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add twohawks to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I did not take you comment as a negative at all :) Just a statement of fact ! At this grade I do not think it will really come in to play. Any thing over a 12 and I think I would be happy. It has one thing going for it ....It is brown and not cleaned or played with!
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 Posted 09/22/2010  11:08 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add BadThad to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
It's just a 22-D, nothing special IMHO. I can see the MM at the start of the scratch on the right.

Sorry to bear the bad news, but a TGP will not grade that coin. There's obvious damage right where the MM goes, they would call it altered MM no matter if it is or not. So many of these have been altered the risk to reputation is not worth grading it. If they did, it'd be one of those slabs that people ridicule....think about it.
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 Posted 09/22/2010  11:51 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add coop to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Looks like a normal/damaged coin. I can see where the mint mark is still partly there. On the weak D the mint mark is very hard to see, but still there.:
https://www.coincommunity.com/forum...2_WEAK_D.jpg
1922 No D strong reverse:
https://www.coincommunity.com/forum..._reverse.jpg

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 Posted 09/23/2010  10:00 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add GR58 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I know that Brad Thad and coop are experts on this subject.

And I have to say I was looking at die markers, and did not look that close at the scratch.

But

If I am seeing, what I think they are seeing. I think they are saying the right side of the scratch might be what is the top of a "D". I do see something .. but I think if that was a mint mark, that it is in slightly the wrong position. More under the first 2 then between the 9 and 2.

I am using this post as a guide.

https://goccf.com/t/70786

Also I still believe that this coin has the die markers of a die #2.

After reading Brad Thad and coops post .. I do have apprehension of that scratch being in that area ... I sure would like to see that coin in hand.
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 Posted 09/24/2010  8:04 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add twohawks to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
On that one Goldrush, the (D's) top is level with the lower bottom end of the (9) That would place the D if there was one one this coin above the PMD (post mint damage) and I do not see anything in that area.
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 Posted 09/24/2010  8:10 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add twohawks to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Here is a blow up of the one you added and the my coin. The D is just below the 9 in the date and it looks as if the top of the (D) is at or right below the level of the (9's) leg.

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 Posted 09/24/2010  8:22 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add twohawks to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Here are 4 photos of my coin 3 of the date are at 12 , 9 , and 6 .. and the other is in better light to show it's true color. I have this as a no D.





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 Posted 09/25/2010  2:21 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add cwb1877 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
It sure does look like it has the right diagnostics for a No D die pair #2.
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