1900 P Morgan - Mint Luster Or Cleaned? [new Photos]

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CoinMeister Valued Member United States 70 Posts	Posted 09/28/2010 04:27 am THESE ARE THE NEW PHOTOS! I have been told by a coin grader that this coin has luster and has not been cleaned. I know he was impartial because he was not the person from whom it was purchased. What do CCF users think? Is it cleaned or does it have mint luster? Edited by CoinMeister 09/28/2010 10:45 pm Report this Post to the Staff

zeewool Pillar of the Community 3660 Posts	Posted 09/28/2010 11:09 am Quote: I have been told by a coin grader that this coin has luster and has not been cleaned. If he actually is a coin grader and saw it in hand, then he probably knows what he is talking about. On the other hand, if he actually is a dealer, (claiming to be a coin grader), and you bought this coin from him, then you should probably seek an in hand opinion from someone who knows the difference between mint luster and cleaning. The photos shown here might make it difficult for any good opinions. Sometimes a coin that has not been cleaned will also be void of luster due to wear, and this coin appears to have seen some of that. Report this Post to the Staff
BH1964 Bedrock of the Community United States 10982 Posts	Posted 09/28/2010 11:16 am What does the reverse look like? ANA #R3154474 Report this Post to the Staff
biokemist6 Bedrock of the Community United States 12437 Posts	Posted 09/28/2010 11:19 am Sorry but I cannot render a valid opinion with the pics provided, both show the coin as completely dull and lifeless It could have had all of the luster dipped off or maybe the lighting was not capable of capturing the luster. The reverse is not pictured either, I have seen many coins with a one-sided cleaning. Try reshooting the photos with better lighting. Edited by biokemist6 09/28/2010 11:20 am Report this Post to the Staff
remmy1100 Valued Member United States 380 Posts	Posted 09/28/2010 11:20 am I see absolutely no cartwheel. Now that could be a host of imaging issues, but... I would suspect this is a cleaned coin from the picture. Report this Post to the Staff
echizento Moderator United States 23731 Posts	Posted 09/28/2010 11:24 am I would like to see what the reverse looks like to be sure. But what I see from the obverse IMO it has been cleaned. Report this Post to the Staff
CoinMeister Valued Member United States 70 Posts	Posted 09/28/2010 11:32 am Quote: If he actually is a coin grader and saw it in hand, then he probably knows what he is talking about. On the other hand, if he actually is a dealer, (claiming to be a coin grader), and you bought this coin from him, then you should probably seek an in hand opinion from someone who knows the difference between mint luster and cleaning. The photos shown here might make it difficult for any good opinions. That is a good point, but he is a grader and I did not buy the coin from him. I blocked out the light to avoid glare. I will post new photos, including the reverse. Report this Post to the Staff
BH1964 Bedrock of the Community United States 10982 Posts	Posted 09/28/2010 11:26 pm Your new photos leave little doubt that this piece has been cleaned and probably polished as well. Always include reverse (tails) images in the future. ANA #R3154474 Report this Post to the Staff
Morgans Dad Pillar of the Community United States 5609 Posts	Posted 09/29/2010 10:15 am I believe the coin exhibits , like stated prior, a complete dullness, lack of "bright original luster", I see the shine but no luster.The shine, IMO, Is a polished looking shine, not an original mint cartwheel blinding white luster. I also would like to see the reverse, to make any more comments about this coin, in all fairness, I believe you would need much crisper photos or the coin in hand, just another opinion..... Report this Post to the Staff
zeewool Pillar of the Community 3660 Posts	Posted 09/29/2010 11:01 am Who does this guy grade for? Rather odd that a 'grader' would give you an 'in hand' professional opinion, yet you feel it necessary to second guess that by requesting opinions here with pictures. Usually, the scenario is reversed......get opinions here first based on pictures and then take the coin to a professional grading service for the actual verdict. Report this Post to the Staff
CoinMeister Valued Member United States 70 Posts	Posted 09/29/2010 3:03 pm The jokes on me. He laughed when I asked again. I thought it was obviously polished when I first looked at it, but I was really struck by the details. I am not anything near expert, so I showed it to him and asked if it had been polished, forgetting that he does not always give me a straight answer. It was a bullion coin. I was perplexed when he looked and said it had "luster." I figured I would get the straight dope from CCF users. This is the reverse. Edited by CoinMeister 09/29/2010 5:26 pm Report this Post to the Staff
andrewjconners Valued Member United States 497 Posts	Posted 10/08/2010 5:49 pm tends to look cleaned to me Report this Post to the Staff
SsuperDdave Moderator United States 23522 Posts	Posted 10/08/2010 6:14 pm Heavily polished, based on the first picture. It's very, very difficult to make an original-surfaces coin look that bright under any kind of lighting. Fields have luster, not devices. The hair on the top pic is far too bright to be natural. Report this Post to the Staff
vanbroj Valued Member United States 450 Posts	Posted 10/08/2010 11:57 pm Sorry, it looks cleaned to me.... Report this Post to the Staff
Moe145 Pillar of the Community United States 8904 Posts	Posted 10/09/2010 12:44 pm danaray79, what are you talking about? Report this Post to the Staff
SsuperDdave Moderator United States 23522 Posts	Posted 10/09/2010 1:24 pm Quote: danaray79, what are you talking about? He's a spammer, talking about an immediate trip to the Land of Deleted. Report this Post to the Staff
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