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2010 5-Oz Park Qtrs Update

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 Posted 09/28/2010  8:27 pm Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add parkquarters to your friends list Get a Link to this Message Number of Subscribers
Congress is going to change the 5oz park quarters diameter to 2.5 inches instead of there original 3.0 inchs they will be thiner now So that they will have enough silver bullion to produce 2010 Proof A.S.E. and the designs now will not be duplicates of the business strikes versions/designs

http://www.coinnews.net/2010/09/27/us-mint-to-issue-2010-proof-eagles-research-coin-compositions-in-hr-6162/
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 Posted 09/28/2010  9:33 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add DNA to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I, for one, am glad that a 5 oz. Silver, 2.5 inch diameter coin
will not have to say "Quarter Dollar" on the obverse.

Thanks, parkquarters, for the above link.

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Reading the comments after the article is disillusioning as usual though. The one guy doesn't seem to realize that the oversize 4 oz, 8 oz and 16 oz Silver Eagles aren't US Mint products, but private mint knock-offs, and the other guy does not realize that it is not the Mint's decision to mint the 5 oz ATB coins/medals/whatevers, but that they are required by Congress / law to mint them, even if it interferes with everything else they do.
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Now why did spell check change my you S Mint to you S Mint?
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Ok. I'll put periods in it. U. S. Mint! Happy now, machine?
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probably cause bobby made an anti "lolspeak" filter. so "U \R Cool" becomes you are cool.

Which btw, thank you bobby for not subjecting my brain to that. I hate it so much. :D
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Yes, there is (among many others) a filter rule to prevent "U" from being displayed alone. Not everyone knows the leetspeak, LOLspeak, or text message lingo and there is really no reason to use such shortcuts on this forum.

By they way, I fixed the original post to say US.
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It's a good article. Although I'm amazed at the "crying" from the peanut gallery. I had no idea that there are people that don't understand that only Congress has the responsibility and duty to direct printing and coining money for commerce. That's always been a legislative function in the Constitution. Yes the president signs it into law and executes the decree, but he does not decide what to print or coin. If it's not "codified" by law, anything negotiable is subject to being canceled for any perceived reason. Proof ASE and AGE coins have never bee required by law; only allowed if resources were available.
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Frankly so far this looks like a non-starter. Submitted with NO co-sponsers. and I think as written it is a disaster waiting to happen. I commented on this in another thread/forum somewhere and it has so real problems. The section on the Proof eagles I have no problems with.

The part allowing the mint to test and experiment with new alloys isn't a problem because they already have the power to do that. They can experiment all they want, but they can't change the compositions of the coinage with out legislation from Congress. This bill doesn't change any of that They can still experiment but they still need legislation to actually make a change.

The 5 oz program though is poorly written. They now don't have a set size for the coin. They can make it any size they want as long as it is three oz and somewhere between 2.5 and 3 inches in diameter. This opens the possibility of changing sizes sizes each year or multiple sizes for a single year. They could make them in 2.5, 2.75, and 3 inch! It lets them make them with or without edge lettering. It lets them make them with the exact design or just a similar design. A lot of folks like to complain about too many things from the mint. This legislation opens the possibility of five parks in three sizes, with two edges, and two or more design variations each year. Or a total of 60 or more different 5 oz coins each year. Collect the whole 3360 coin set.

Then you have the fact that they have worked all year to get the bugs worked out of the 3 inch coin, the planchet supplier has tooled up and is ready to make the three inch planchets, the first batch of planchets have been ordered, and now they are trying to take things back to square one and start over. But have them done by the end of the year.

Keep the Proof eagle part, scrap the rest of the legislation.

And parkquarters, reducing the diameter from 3 inch to 2.5 inch makes them thicker not thinner and it doesn't change the weight so it doesn't increase the amount of silver available for ASE's.

The problem has never been a lack of silver, it has been a lack of production capacity at the planchet manufacturer. Well guess what the planchet manufacturer has been doing whale everyone has been wailing, moaning, and gnashing their teeth. They have been adding capacity and that is something you just can't do overnight. You need rolling mills, annealing furnaces, punch presses, upsetting mills, and most likely new buildings to house them in. That all takes time and that is what they have been doing for the last year and a half. Now they have enough capacity that for the first time in over a year the mint no longer has to ration the silver eagles they have been selling to the distributors. (Yes in two years of record production the distributor have only been able to get a portion of the silver eagles they wanted.) This means there is a chance they can get ahead of the demand and start making the proofs again even without this legislation.
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And parkquarters, reducing the diameter from 3 inch to 2.5 inch makes them thicker not thinner and it doesn't change the weight so it doesn't increase the amount of silver available for ASE's.
Thats my point thereno pun intended somebody told them wrong what I cant understand is how the publisher didnt catch that maybe over worked it sounds like the publisher is in the wrong line of work or could the possibly be mis leading collectors !
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I see nothing in the article that implies changing the diameter would make any more silver available. Just that it would make the hockey pucks easier to strike. I still have problems though understanding why they can easily put lettering on the edges of the President and NA dollar coins, but they can't on the hockey pucks that are almost twice as thick.

Latest news on the bill, Rep Watts put it on the "no objection" calendar and it was passed last night with no discussion, no debate, and no co-sponsers. Everyone was rushing to pass the continuing resolution to fund the government without having to do their job of passing a budget so they could all get out of town and go campaign for re-election. So they just passed everything on the "no objection" calendar. Of course since both houses left town there is no chance that the Senate can take this up until late November or passed and signed before December.
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 Posted 09/30/2010  2:37 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add parkquarters to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Its funny that you metion that I watched that on c-span last nite
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This opens the possibility of changing sizes sizes each year or multiple sizes for a single year. They could make them in 2.5, 2.75, and 3 inch!

Your theory might be dead on ! Read summary on the top of this page in says versions

http://www.numismaticnews.net//arti...icleId=12338


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Since they are now supposedly striking the 3 inch pieces, maybe they will make the proofs (if and when they get authorization, of if they decide to go ahead without it) at the 2.5 inch size. :)
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