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Counterfeit Coins Question

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 Posted 10/06/2010  09:57 am Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add troy1025 to your friends list Get a Link to this Message Number of Subscribers
Are they illeagal to collect? I may or may not have a few in my collection
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 Posted 10/06/2010  10:45 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add mycrob to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I don't think they are illegal to collect, but of coures, if you do collect them, you should hopefully pay accordingly lower prices. But I think it is illegal to misrepresent them to someone else if you sell them. Correct me if I'm wrong.
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 Posted 10/07/2010  01:35 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add sel_69l to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I think everybody should collect counterfeit coins to be able to defend yourself against a lack of knowledge when one is presented to you. If you are going to buy them, they should be clearly identified to you as counterfeit.

Herein is a problem: What if the seller either knowing or unknowingly offers a coin which you suspect as counterfeit, what do you do about it?

If you declare it to be a dud and you are wrong, it does does damage to a good dealer's reputation. It does your own reputation no good either.

If you decide that a coin is NOT a dud and you buy it, and it later proves to be a dud, the loss is yours, especially if you find out years later on. This has happened to me, and I was not amused!

So what do you do? Examine the coin, remain suspicious, and walk away quietly? THAT ain't no good either! At least with ebay, you can let your suspicions be known on the CCF, with no skin off any body's nose.

Altogether, counterfeit coins create an unhappy situation for all.

The only positive thing that I can say about counterfeit coins is the statement I made in the first paragraph.
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 Posted 10/07/2010  09:17 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add troy1025 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
The only ones I have ever purchased were clearly marked. I would never call any dealer or collector an outright liar. I just say "the coin is not for me at this time" if I have any suspicions. I also would never try to resale any of them due to the fact I like them, and as sel_691 said it gives me knowledge.
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 Posted 10/07/2010  09:51 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add palaniappan to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
if you have a doubt about the authencity of the coin, then dont buy it.

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 Posted 10/07/2010  10:32 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add pls to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I believe it's illegal to sell counterfeit coins but not to possess them. Go figure.
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 Posted 10/07/2010  11:03 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add just carl to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Look at it like this. If you do collect counterfeit or fake coins, who would know? Do you think the counterfeit coin police will come to your house? Of course if you run around broadcasting you have them and what can anyone do about that, eventually someone will.
I too am not sure if it is against any law to own any kind of fake coins but I'm sure selling one as real is sort of not to good an idea. Yet copies, replicas, etc are made and sold all the time as long as they are so stated on the coin itself.
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 Posted 10/07/2010  11:18 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add troy1025 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
counterfeit coin police, too funny Carl!
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 Posted 10/07/2010  11:47 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add jfransch to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I have many counterfeit coins in my collection, mostly Spanish Colonial but also a spattering of US. They are in holders clearly marked "counterfeit". Some were bought are real coins, most were bought knowing they were counterfeit. I have both "modern" (i.e. China Specials) but most are "contemporary" ones meant to pass in circulation at the time they were made. I am unaware of any law that says I cannot have them if marked accordingly, just laws that say I cannot try and pass them as real coins. As for the comment above
"If you decide that a coin is NOT a dud and you buy it, and it later proves to be a dud, the loss is yours, especially if you find out years later on. This has happened to me, and I was not amused!"
I bought a few expensive coins from one dealer and discovered they were altered coins about 12 years later and went back with the coins and the receipts and he refunded my money after careful examination of the coins. Both he and I were fooled by the very clever alterations, they were discovered by my 21 yr old son after he made a super high resolution scan and enlarged the image the size of my computer monitor. (That is how I check all my new coins now) It pays to have a good relationship with an honest dealer (especially a PNG dealer, they offer lifetime guarantee of genuine)
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 Posted 10/07/2010  3:57 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Bryan1315 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
something else I should mention if you have counterfeit coins that you know is fake, make sure they are correctly labeled as such and maybe keep them away from legitimate coins in case something happens to you and the heir tries to sell the coins thinking they are real. If they take them to a dealer and they see the first few coins are counterfeit they may assume the whole collection is full of counterfeits and only pay like $1.00 for each coin in the collection and your family not know anything about it and assume the dealer is correct and take it
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 Posted 10/07/2010  4:19 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add troy1025 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Great point!
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I'm thinking that if they are not clearly marked as "copy", the right thing would be to mark as such or destroy them. Just because eventually they will end up in the wrong hands and cause grief to somebody down the road....my Two Cents.
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