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1819 Large Cent

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Here's a new purchase. It's graded in an old PCI slab and designated as the "large date" type. What grade would you give it, and do you notice any particular problems?

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I would probably call it AU-50, but I'm not too familiar the grading of this type of coin. The details look to be very well defined with just a little wear on the top of the head and on the wreath. Also, the second "1" appears to be damaged.
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I'd probably grade it EF45. There are some hints of Bronze Disease in a few places and the scratch on the reverse next to "E" in UNITED looks fairly recent. Is it graded problem-free? The reverse is slightly broadstruck but that is common on early coppers. Overall a nice looking coin.
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It's got 40 details (maybe 45) but all of the marks in the field net it 35 for me. Lovely coin!
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I agree with XF45 and some nicks and small scratches here and there, but nothing that would put it in a problem holder IMO. Nice!
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What variety is it just curious? I love the big cents
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I also would have to go with EF
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Thanks for the replies! This was graded EF40 by PCI and is slabbed in one of the old, green-label (no problem) holders. I think the grade is fair and the CCF graders seem to concur. The green tint shown in the slab photo is not present on the coin.
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There are some hints of Bronze Disease in a few places...


I don't see any verdigris green color, but in-hand the obverse surface looks very slightly granular. The reverse surface is smoother and given the overall state of most early large cents I think this coin would qualify as "problem-free" by most standards.

PCI refers to this coin as "Large Date" but does not offer a Newman number. However, it looks a lot like the 1819/8 N-1 coin pictured in the Wes Rasmussen auction catalog from Heritage. Here's a close-up of the date. Can anyone confirm the attribution for this cent?




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40 is a fair grade. The verdigris (if it's there) appears on the obverse around the "T" in LIBERTY and in the hair just under the Coronet. On the reverse there appears to be hints of dark green specs in some of the leaves. It's very, very minor and likely not even visible until you hit 10X or greater. I like your coin. It looks like a better than average strike.
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The marks and depressions on the obverse and reverse will make it hard to sustain an EF rating, IMO. I'll go with VF-35. Nice die break on the "M" in America that will help with variety attribution. I"m not near my Noyes books right now or I'd have a go at it for you. Nice coin.
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That die crack on the reverse is not described in Newcomb's US Copper Cents. I'd check my other book but it hasn't arrived yet.
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