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Why Some Die Strikes Are Cooler Than Others

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This has been asked a number of ways in the past. I feel it just comes down too what each collector finds neat. I picked this one up about 2 weeks ago, it's a 1878 S Vam-49 Funky Feather. The viewers left side of the wing looks like it had been soldered.

And in semi proof like I think it looks wicked!

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 Posted 12/12/2010  12:32 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Scooby Due to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Nice! The eagle looks like he's wearing a splint!

So, is that just a massive chip?
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 Posted 12/12/2010  12:43 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add zeewool to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
You always seem to come up with the most weirdly interesting coins Russ....I have no doubt that you must go out of your way to find such bizarre stuff.....that is the kind of thing that I like also....So what is the attributed nomenclature of the funk?
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Ohhh that is easy Zee!! If you smell closely you can tell the Eagle did not use his deodorant
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Yeah, I can see that it does seem to ooze down from the wingpit.

This is actually a die variety? There are others 'exactly' like this?
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Yep there are different types that had been "repaired" at the mint. Or so the story go's, I have seen about 4 of them total and this was the best one I found so I bought it.

Some of the tic's and bumps do nothing for me, but some types are just cool!
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I have a hard time with online photos in the differentiation of raised or recessed....It looks raised to me.....I have seen other coins where portions of the previous planchet struck actually stuck temporarily to the die and came off as a cap to the next to the next planchet.....and that thing about different types causes me to wonder.....I will tell you that I am not buying the story about it being a die repair job though....whatever....Super cool coin Russ...
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That one little spot of the Morgan dollar die is worth its' own independent study. 1878 is the most prominent year for anomalies, but over the years of production all sorts of interesting things have popped up between the eagle's right wing and leg.

This one is particularly interesting. It looks like melting, but you'd need temps in excess of 1700F for that to happen. Even if someone had made that mistake in the annealing process, why there rather than a more pointed part of the die, where one would assume spot temperatures would be higher?

Fascinating.
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I wonder about that as well. There are 4 types of funky feather 1878 S Vams all are very different. The earlier the state to me the cooler they look. As for what was the cause I do not know. The 1878 S coins did have a lot of repair or touch ups done on the eagle.

They are neat almost as if someone was sweating in a copper pipe and a drip of molten solder dropped on a coin.
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I think its using chamell #9....
looks like a soldering 101 class experiment...gone wild
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Russ, can you get the whole length of this anomaly with your nice detail shots? The first detail pic is great; a series of those, all the way up (even if it takes 6 separate shots) would be cool. I want to stitch them together to contemplate the whole thing at once.
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Uh Oh....the notion of extra pictures sounds like it could compel me to speculate out the wrong end again.
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Speculation is constructive, regardless of the origin.
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Here are a few other photos.... This is one of the neater 1878 S types.



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If this were caused by a capped die, then I might think that there could be a slight progression displayed between successively struck coins....however, it might also imply that there should be a coin stuck that is missing a good portion of planchet metal in the same area....I am still in la la position on this one.....but I am fairly certain that no self respecting engraver would call this a patch job worthy of submission to the coining room....it is in a device, and was not done in the coining room by polishing.
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