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Stirring Up The Dust A Little Over In The Grading Section.

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The last thing I would want to do is leave the impression here that I am a boastful person, so I must preface what I am about to say by explaining that I am a modest and humble person...just remember this.

I have been told by a number of people in the industry that my eye for grading Lincoln cents is one of the best in the business. I have been hired by a couple of the bigger names in the business to do lot viewing at some of the most prestigious auctions when the big name couldn't make the auction and I could...so...my opinion is worth quite a bit to a number of people as a Lincoln Cent "expert".

I have taken the liberty of going through a couple dozen of the grading threads about Lincoln cents responding to each one of them, often in great detail. I don't know why I just noticed (again) that the grading section is there, but I see it as a great educational tool and thank the administrators of this site for thinking ahead and building it.

Please feel free to ask additional questions - I do plan on visiting the area frequently. While I can help in some capacity with silver and nickel, copper is definitely my forte, and I prefer to stick to what I know.

Anyhow, just sayin. All the posts there were made by me, not some alter-ego. And I will be back.
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 Posted 12/14/2010  11:47 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Scooby Due to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I was glad to see that you had ventured that way. I went back and re-read all the posts you had contributed to because I value your opinion.

I often wondered why you hadn't used that as a teaching tool as well. You seem to want to educate people and that is a very important part of the learning process.

Thank you for all you do.
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 Posted 12/14/2010  2:08 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Scooby Due to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
In fact, I'd like your opinion on my '14-D if you get a minute.

https://goccf.com/t/75010
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 Posted 12/14/2010  2:37 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add coppercoins to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
You got it.
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 Posted 12/14/2010  2:45 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add fenton to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Thanks your feedback is very educational
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Thank you fenton - and reading the posts and replying to them helps me formulate what I want to do with the grading section of my website. I have all the tools and necessary coins to do a bang-up job on a Lincoln Cent grading tutorial, and plan to get into it some time next month.

Any suggestions as to what people would like to see there (within reason)?
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 Posted 12/14/2010  2:56 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Scooby Due to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
From a tutorial standpoint, I struggle with weak strikes and die states.
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Interesting - thanks! That's exactly the sort of feedback I am seeking.

So would it help if I showed in the AU section the difference between a weak strike and a coin with slight wear? I would figure that's where it belongs. Correct?
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Absolutely. I always default to wear because I can't tell the difference, so I guess it's kind of a built in safety net for me.

But, I truly do want to learn.

Of course, I'm sure that looking through a couple more million Lincolns like you would help!
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I actually have an 09-S V.D.B. I'd like another opinion on.
I believe it's AU Details with micro porosity. Its in a PCGS Genuine holder. I need to get some better, more detailed pics first. Thanks Chuck!
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Any suggestions as to what people would like to see there (within reason)?


YES! Don't do what PCGS did!

If you're going to take pictures of the various grades, do it using the same year, mint and similar die states. Also, it'd be nice to have a few of these, i.e. S and D mint examples too.....teens, twenties, thirties, etc. would be an extremely useful resource. This would be a ambitious project. I've thought about doing it many times, but I just don't have the time.

If you don't go that far, at least a grade set using similar P mint coins would be nice to have on the web.
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 Posted 12/14/2010  3:59 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add coppercoins to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I was actually considering doing at least part of the section using the same coin that grades an MS63 red and take it all the way up to MS67 red digitally. I am very good at digitally removing blemishes on coins, and this would give people a "how many flaws does it take" scenario.

I do agree that grading a 1925S cent is far different from grading a 1956D cent, which is again far different from grading a 2008 cent. They need to be broken into classes...maybe the following:

1909-1919 Philly, then branch mints.
1920-1934 Philly, then branch mints.
1935-1958 - all
1943
1959-1968 - all
1969-1982 - all
1983-1992 - all
1993-2008 - all
2009
2010

Then the proofs:

1909-1916 matte
1936-1942
1950-1958
1959-1968 (special section on SMS)
1969-1982
1983-2008
2009
2010
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 Posted 12/14/2010  4:24 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add upstate to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Very nice to know what the real grade is after amateurs like myself take a stab.
I feel fortunate having a resource like yourself here to help me out and would like to
personally thank you.
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 Posted 12/14/2010  5:21 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add chugly to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I too would like to personally thank you for all of your amazing contributions!

You have helped me more than any other person in learning about copper cent varieties and I haven't even met you:)

We are all very fortunate to have such an expert and prolifically helpful resource as part of this website!

Keep up the great work and happy holidays!
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 Posted 12/14/2010  5:27 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add coppercoins to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Gosh...you guys keep this up and I won't be able to fit my head through my office door. What will we do then?

Really, thanks for the compliments and for the well wishes.

Merry Christmas to you as well!
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I'm interested in SEEING your work. do it!
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