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Can someone identify the die variety on my 1878? Scans attached. Hopefully the resolution on these is adequate for an ID.   |
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With the photos up it looks like a Vam-18 or V-19, But closer clearer photos would be nice to be sure. The date and just the tail feathers with the lower part of the wings
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12/15/2010 08:36 am
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fenton, It's a VAM 19. Both the 18 and 19 have doubling on the date, but the 19 features the reverse doubling (note the top of the arrow point for doubling). Nice snag! |
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Thanks I did some research after you guys posted and it does look like a VAM-19. I'm well on my way to becoming a VAM nut :) |
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1878-P VAM-19 Doubled Date
Discovered by Leroy Van Allen, December 1965.
19 II/I 2 A2/A1b (Doubled Date) (180) I-4 R-4
Reverse A2/A1b - Doubled inside of wreath, N of ONE, DOLLAR and right star with AR tripled at bottom. Partial small feather added on eagle's right side between leg and bottom of wing. Top of wreath overpolished so that the tip of leaf appears to be an extra berry on the left side. Eagle's lower and upper beak are doubled. Top arrow head and shaft doubled.
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19 II/I 2 A2/A1b (Doubled Date) (180) I-4 R-4 I understand all of the code-like garble except the (180)....what does that signify? |
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I understand all of the code-like garble except the (180)....what does that signify? Reed count. |
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I understand all of the code-like garble except the (180)....what does that signify? 180 is number of Reeds around the coin edit: oops guess I am a few minutes late |
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Thanks Dave and Bryan...although I am sure that given enough time (maybe a couple of years or so) to do some intense thinking on this, that I would have been able to figure it out.....This was far easier and faster though....I actually deserved a reply more like Quote:
Reed count, you idiot. OR Quote:
180 is number of Reeds around the coin, dummy Clearly, (as moderators), you are both highly skilled in exercising great restraint, (even in the face of stark stupidity)...  |
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I had to look it up, zeewool. I didn't know, either.  The day I call you "idiot" is the day I've lost my senses. Unless, of course, you're being an idiot.  |
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I am sure others have wondered what it meant as well
Edit: I am just going to let Dave answer the questions, he is always a little bit faster than I am
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I think that the OP's question has been satisfactorily answered (and that answer confirmed), so I don't really feel too terribly guilty about an attempted hijacking here.
In some very infrequent instances, I could see how this info might be helpful, but as I recall, the majority of collars were pretty standardized to a reed count of 180, or am I wrong about that?
Would two collars (of differing reed counts) warrant a revision if both collars were used with a specific die pair? (ie....hypothetically.... vam-6 is known with both 178 and 180 reed counts).
Can specific collars (of the same reed count) be identified, and thus a revision bestowed?
If not, then I would say that reed count is as irrelevant as which particular press this collar was bolted in.
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Never mind....more stupid questions.....I keep forgetting that the premise of vamming differs from other variety collecting hobbies in that... while vamming gets right down to the microscopic nitty gritty in certain aspects, it wavers to selective classification on a grand scale in other respects.
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12/15/2010 10:57 pm
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I doubt any VAM would ever have two reed counts because its the die marriage that makes the VAM. The collar would probably nopt change for allot longer then the dies would last. I really doubt a collar ever got changed unless something major happened. I don't know of any specific VAM's that have two different reed counts but there are differing reed counts for specific dates. Like the 1878 VAM-1 has 188 reeds, as we see the VAM-19 has 180 so it is important to mention |
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Tough call, zeewool. Generally:
Reed counts vary greatly among Morgans from the 157 of Infrequently Reeded 1921-P's to 194, in 1878 and other years. Reed count has been used to differentiate between varieties; I wonder if further research will bear out the changing of collars during specific die runs.
It is my belief that a collar changed during the run of a specific die pair warrants a sub-type designation. That has been the gist of how Mr. Van Allen has approached the topic over the years, understanding that reed counts do not get a whole lot of street cred in the grand scheme of things, aside the Infrequent Reeding 1921's.
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