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Thanks Bryan....that clears that up for me...  edited to add: Thanks as well Dave....Hmmmm....back to square one (I think)...This is going to haunt me for a while it seems...  Edited by zeewool
12/15/2010 11:10 pm
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Actually, I know of one that does. Remmy 1100 has a 1878-P VAM 14.2 with a reed count of 193. Normally that coin is found with a reed count of 181 but please remember, a 193 reed collar was also used on other 8TF varieties. Edited by Ozland
12/15/2010 11:16 pm
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Thanks for dropping in Oz....I am assuming then that the reed count deviation did not result in a revision?
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How do you revise a listing that may have two reed counts? Hopefully, Remmy will drop in give us an update on this.
A word of caution: Not everything you read information wise on the other site is accurate or up to date.
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12/15/2010 11:26 pm
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I just learned something new also, I didn't know any VAM had two different reed counts. So would LVA still call this 14.2 with 193 reeds a 14.2? |
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Not everything you read information wise on the other site is accurate or up to date.  You are a little late with the news flash Oz.. I haven't seen remmy around here for a long time....too bad....knowledgeable individual, and I actually miss the guy too. edited to add: Quote:
So would LVA still call this 14.2 with 193 reeds a 14.2? That was the crux of my meandering questions. Edited by zeewool
12/15/2010 11:33 pm
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In this instance, I have actually seen the coin. When I inquired about the possibility this was the reply. Only know of 181 reeds for 78 P VAM 14-2. Possible that 193 reed collar was also used, as it had been on other 8TF varieties. Leroy I don't know the status from Remmy on the verdit from Leroy. This happened earlier in the year. Edited by Ozland
12/15/2010 11:33 pm
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Possible that 193 reed collar was also used, as it had been on other 8TF varieties. This particular coin (due to the reeding deviation) should serve as proof positive as a die state indicator as well as reverse stage indicator for the 14.20...14.2...14.15....(if there was any doubt previously). Something sounds very fishy about all of this though, because in my notes (that I compiled when I thought that I would memorize the vams) shows that both the 14.20 and 14.15 had reed counts of 193, and the 14.2 with a reed count of 179......(even if it is 181 instead of 179), this does not make any sense that the mid stage of the 14.20...14.2...14.15 would be the one to vary in that fashion. |
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That coin was compared to a 1878-P 14.20, 1878-P 14.5 and 1 1878-P 14.2, all coins courtesy of Larry Eakins. Larry Eakins and O.C. Smith Jr, also examined the coin. In fact Smitty studied all three. It is a 1878-P 14.2 with a 193 reed count. I don't know the status as the coin belongs to Remmy.
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12/15/2010 11:56 pm
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I think that all of this may have just become a moot issue though, as I also find in my notes that vam-6 is found with reed counts of 179, 189, and 193.....This really makes no sense to me as vams 6, 7, 14.5, 14.8, and 14.19 shared the same reverse, so why would the collar need to be changed three times during the striking of VAM 6 alone? Sorry, I didn't mean to get off on this tangent with so much confusing stuff....I will think about it a bit before I bring it all up again. Edited by zeewool
12/16/2010 12:12 am
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Yeah Oz, I do not doubt the attribution skills of these guys.... my point is that supposedly the emission (striking order) of these coins was 14.20 (with 193 reeds), then the 14.2 (with both 193 and 179 or 181) and finally the 14.15 with 193 reeds again)....That makes no sense.
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One last thing here....rather OT, but slightly related....At the other place, (and I do not remember who said said it), but over a year ago, someone mentioned that there was a guy named Pete Bishal (or something like that who was a great hero of Brian R.)...who devised a chart, (showing down to the exact hour), when the different 8TF varieties were struck.....I have never seen this chart, but it always seemed both interesting as well as ridiculous to me, as it conjured the notion in my mind that all of these 8TF vams would necessarily be struck in the same press, one right after another.....Does anyone know of this chart?
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How many presses were in service at Philadelphia at this time? The answer to any of these questions is far more complex than anyone has yet given credit for.
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I guess I have to count my reeding if it really makes a difference?
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It does, in the bigger picture.
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