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1909-S VDB For Grading

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See what you guys think on this one.

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I'm suspicious of this coin. I think it's an added mint mark. Here's a link to a PCGS article regarding 1909-S VDB authentication:

http://www.pcgs.com/articles/articl...d=313&type=1

The mint mark seems like it doesn't have enough wear to match the rest of the coin. The discoloration around the mint mark also makes me suspicious. The serifs of the S are not parallel to one another as they should be. I drew lines on your close-up of the mint mark to illustrate this.

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the seriff does look imprinted into the coin after minting ,rather then imprinted into the die before minting
look at the low fields all around the seriff
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If genuine it would be VG10.

I fail to see how coppertop can see serifs in these images. You would have to have at least a 30X microscope to make that sort of determination.
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Coin has been corroded, harshly cleaned and retoned. The MM doesn't look right either. It appears to be a ball serif and the genuine is trumpet. I haven't compared the MM positions but it doesn't look right either. The MM is just all wrong IMO based on the pics.
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I was suspicious too but it came back from ANACS as genuine,corroded,cleaned,weak vdb,and F12 details..in the new yellow holder.The pics are crappy, I know, but the serifs are parallel and vertical. The position looks good to me BadThad. Not saying ANACS was right, that's why I wanted opinions....and have practically nothing in it (long story).
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That's GREAT! It must be the pictures. I trust ANACS on the verification. If they say it's genuine, I'm sure it is.
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Oh...and I say VG on the grade. I think fine is generous.
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fine 12 ?
I was thinking fair 12
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The mint mark seems accurately placed based on the PCGS authenticity guide. Looks exactly like DIE #4 and the serifs do appear to be vertically parallel.

F-12 details seems right but as NGC noted the coin is cleaned and corroded which would bring down the net grade substantially.

That said, for an ultra-rare date it is not an unattractive coin I've seen much worse. Probably a $450 coin at auction.
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VG10/corroded/cleaned if genuine.
Yeah, I was thinking $450-550
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fenton you are correct in that it is #4, I see where they get F12 details also. And I was thinking about $400 at auction. It was a nice find for me as the seller did not see the vdb, and I didn't see it either until about a month later when I took pics and looked at it on my PC.
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I stand corrected. The serifs did not look to be parallel. Maybe just the pics creating an illusion.

Sounds like you hit pay-dirt since you bought it as an 09-S.
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cwb8539, my pics need some work..sorry...but yes it was almost as good as a roll find because when I sold the rest of the lot, I got my total investment back plus a few bucks...
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Nice find even if it is a problem coin.
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They should have made a color designation of "camo" for this one! Congrats
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