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Pillar of the Community
Netherlands
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At the local internet auction someone is selling a supposed rare Farthing from 1860. Since there are 4 different ones from 1860 alone in Krause, I would like to hear some opinion on wether I should buy this one for €30. Because if it is the one he claims it to be, and if real I should jump on it like a shark I guess. (The add is only viewed 7 times, so could it possible be the real deal?) I listed all the Farthings from 1860: KM# 725 FARTHINGCopper Ruler: Victoria Obv: Bust of Victoria left Rev: Britannia 1860 -- 800(F) / 2,200(VF) / 4,500(XF) / 7,000 (UNC) KM# 747.1 FARTHINGBronze Ruler: Victoria Note: Beaded border. 1860 2,867,000 - 2.00(F) / 6.00(VF) / 30.00(XF) / 90.00(UNC) KM# 747.2 FARTHINGBronze Ruler: Victoria Obv: Draped bust of Victoria left Rev: Britannia Note: Toothed border. 1860 Inc. above 1.00(F) / 4.00(VF) / 30.00(XF) / 85.00(UNC) 1860 Inc. above 70.00(F) / 150(VF) / 400(XF) / 1,000(UNC) He claims to have the last one: 747.2 Can you guys see if it is the one? All information is extremely appreciated!  Here is the add: http://postzegels-munten.marktplaat...-border.html Edited by Kingz
12/17/2010 12:13 pm
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Valued Member
Croatia (Locally: Hrvatska)
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I compared pictures and description,but the reverse image is blurred so that they can not see well.
KM# 747.2 FARTHING
Mules - A coin which has been minted from mismatched dies, one of the most well known mules is the 1860 Toothed Border/Beaded Border farthing, which has a beaded reverse and a toothed obverse.
Since the picture is not good it is hard to notice the difference.
If it is:
Bronze Ruler: Victoria Obv: Draped bust of Victoria left
Rev: Britannia Note: Toothed border.
Date Mintage F VF XF Unc BU
1860 Inc. above 1.00 4.00 30.00 85.00 --
But if it is:
Bronze Ruler: Victoria Obv: Draped bust of Victoria left
Rev: Britannia Note: Toother border on obverse, beaded border on reverse
Date Mintage F VF XF Unc BU
1860 Inc. above 70.00 150 400 1,000 --
We need much better picture quality so you can see the edge of the coin.
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Pillar of the Community
 Netherlands
626 Posts |
Thanks Nikola, I'm going to send a e-mail ASAP :)
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Pillar of the Community
Netherlands
626 Posts |
I will be receiving better pictures tomorrow, I will post them here...hoping you guys can give some clear feedback (as always  ) I guess that will be a bargain then, because the seller seems sure of it's authenticity!  And hopefully you guys can also tell if his Grading is correct (PR = comparable to XF) so that means €400 according to the catalogue (but I know that the seller is selling coins and lots for a few months now often for extremely low prices, just hope no one else will bid me out of it when genuine)  |
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Turkey
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if it is too good to be true, than it probably is, as the old saying goes. why did the seller choose to sell it for 30 euros instead of putting it to ebay for about 100-120 euros? It does make that price if it is a real mule 1860 farthing very easily. blurred pictures are a bad sign in my book as I had a terrible experience with them involving a local seller here so.. Buyer beware! But I am also looking forward to see high grade photos tomorrow. But if I was a betting man, I wouldn't put my money on that, bacuse of the unclear photos. |
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Pillar of the Community
Netherlands
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so many older people with no digital skills at all are selling their coins by the loads, often they don't even know what ebay is... This website is like a Dutch Local Craiglist or how ever it's called it's easy and free! If you check the link and go to the sellers other stuff, you can clearly see a lot of the pics are sketchy.. but the coins are real, I know because I bought at him before. For example he sells a lot of modern coins from turkey, putting the total 'supposed' catalog value at the description area, lets'say €300... and he sells it for €10. Some people have kilo's of coins of one and the same country'and they sell it for cheap. Anyway what my point is, I know that 90% of the time when something sounds to good it probably isn't real, but every once in a while you can spot those 10% that is real, and then you have to get that chance... right?! Ah well, like you said we will just have to wait untill tomorrow... but I'm excited :) Edited by Kingz
12/17/2010 7:01 pm
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Valued Member
Canada
268 Posts |
"Something is rotten in the state of Denmark." I concur with molydeii and Kingz. Be careful.
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Pillar of the Community
Turkey
870 Posts |
Kingz, I have fingers crossed here on your behalf!. :) I hope that is the real deal and you'll have the chance to buy something numismatically significant. CCF is a family and a forum member's gain is our gain. Let's see it when the clearer pictures comes up.
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Pillar of the Community
Netherlands
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hmmm, I don't know if this is clear enough...? But this is not my deffinition of Clear Pictures, but I hope you guys know were to look for... Oh and if it's not clear enough I will try one more time, otherwise he can sell it to someone else.    |
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Pillar of the Community
United States
2605 Posts |
No, you need the other side!
I think it's already clear enough it has toothed border on the obverse. The question now is whether it has beaded border on the reverse!
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Pillar of the Community
Turkey
870 Posts |
I wonder what happened about that coin, Kingz! :)
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Pillar of the Community
Netherlands
626 Posts |
Hey molydeii, I asked the seller to put it on the side for coming January (which it is now  ), because my budget was a bit low in december...  But thanks for reminding hahahh, almost forgot this one... I will e-mail the seller for making the arrangements and will post the coin here when it arrived |
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Bedrock of the Community
United States
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I'm a little confused--did the seller provide a sharp enough photo of the reverse to determine a beaded border? I wonder why it's so hard for him to show photographic proof of this variety? I don't see the TB/BB mule--because if I squint my eyes, I see denticles connected to the rim. The beaded border reverse has a clean rim. These photos aren't that great either, but they might help. Edited by DVCollector
01/04/2011 1:38 pm
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Pillar of the Community
Netherlands
626 Posts |
I'm still a bit skeptical, but he made it very clear it was the real one, and I know where he bought it from in the past (a fellow coin collector who is also active on the same auction website, by who I also purchased some coins before.) I also made it clear that I want to have the option to return the coin if it appears to be some other variety. And by the way... Holland is very small, so I can be at his doorstep within the hour  But luckily I still received all my coins up to date, and all were real... But I would go to a persons house if I got cheated, and get my money back! I always make clear arrangements before I buy.. And always hold back the evidence (E-mails, etc.) of every purchase I make. So I just have to wait and see, but that link you psted is copied and saved! Thanks DVCollector |
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Bedrock of the Community
United States
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I apologize if I sounded overly skeptical--I just get suspicious with fuzzy pictures. Good luck with that coin, and please post new pics when it arrives. |
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Pillar of the Community
United States
2605 Posts |
Quote: ... But I would go to a persons house if I got cheated, and get my money back! Geez, I better mail you the coins I promised!  |
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