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Spinks 2001 Pattern Auction Donald Are Golder "Dollars"

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A couple of questions:

Does anyone know the proportions specific to the "goloid" used in they patterns - according to the patent it can vary between limits.

Does anyone know who the mint were.

Thanks.

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In this article they say different proportions were tried at the US mint, including ones slightly outside the patented limits. I couldn't find any info on Canadian patterns.

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The alloy, in varying proportions (sometimes slightly out of these specifications), was used by the United States Mint to strike pattern dollars, sometimes called "metric dollars" (some were marked with "metric" in the coin design, while all had metal proportions and total coin weight as design features) from 1878 to 1880. Patterns of the same design were struck in other metals, including aluminum, copper, normal coin silver, lead, and white metal.
In the end, goloid was rejected as a coinage metal because it could not be distinguished from the normal U.S. 90% silver coin alloy without chemical analysis, thus inviting counterfeiters to use silver-copper alloys alone to make lower-value copies.
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Yes, thanks there is a US patent:
The patented goloid alloy is:

(by weight)

1 part gold
24 parts silver
2.5 parts copper

Patent #191,146 by W.H. Hubbard (1877) states that "the proportions may vary slightly".
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The density of gold is 19.32 g/cc, silver 10.50 g/cc, and copper 8.93 g/cc.

In the proportions indicated above, the density of goloid is 10.507 g/cc. As can be seen, goloid is only slightly more than half the density of gold.

The alloy may look like gold when freshly struck into a coin, but would tarnish or patinate over time, due to the high silver content. I do not think the patination rate would be retarded due to the presence of copper. Most of us know what sterling silver looks like when it is old.

Normally the admixture of about 5% by weight of aluminium is used to retain the gold colour of a copper alloy.

Aluminium when exposed to air is highly reactive, but always retains the clean metallic apperarance we all know of. The reason for this is that aluminium almost instantly develops a highly protective but very thin oxide coating on it's surface. That is why from a point of view of chemically stability, it is successful in the applications for which it is used. That is also why gold coloured aluminium bronze coins are successful.

Without ever seeing an old goloid object, I suspect that goloid would retain it's gold colour, but would appear patinated anyway.
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Thanks, I could place the coin in a container on scales having marked a meniscus then draw off water with a syringe to the meniscus and weigh to find the cc. Then compare the density with that you suggest. It does have a lovely patina, coin arrived this am. There are 2 other coins in the series copper and sterling silver given that the gold price was about $250 oz at the time of minting and the description is 'akin to goloid' there seems no reason to suppose it is not. Other golden patterns in the same auction are described as 'golden alloy' so they are more suspect.

It would be nice to know who manufactured them in 2000/1.
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