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My Bizarre Altered Coin Story

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 Posted 02/05/2005  02:33 am Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add Sellathon to your friends list Get a Link to this Message Number of Subscribers
I thought I'd share an experience I had when I was about
13 or 14 - when I got to see an ex-con convert a 1910 V-nickel
into a 1913 V-nickel.

In Georgetown, Kentucky there is (or was) a very popular
flea market, and several coin dealers used to display there.
This was just as I was really getting into coins, so when
I saw a white 2x2 coin holder that said "$10,000.00 or best
offer", it certainly caught my eye.

Yep, it was a 1913 V-nickel. Sort of.

Being young and naive and, well, dumb, I called my Dad over and
explained how if he could loan me $10,000, I was sure I could
double our money instantly. I explained that there were only 5
of these in the world, and this guy was seriously underselling it!

Fortunately, my dad was not as gullible as I was, nor in the habit
of carrying $10,000 on his person, so he struck up a conversation
with the dealer, who was surprisingly forthcoming. As it turned out,
the coin had started its life as a 1910 V-nickel, but the 0 had been
altered to look like a 3.

That's been a long time, but I swear, it was perfect. At least
to the naked eye. Nowadays, of course, you'd use UV and other
tools to check for surface disturbance, but back then it looked
bloody perfect.

Apparently, this dealer was taking 1910 V-nickels to a friend of
his in the local prison, who was then manipulating the "0" to
resemble a "3". The prisoner was charging the dealer $10 each for
this service.

Before leaving the flea market, the dealer said I could buy the
coin for $20 if I wanted. (Down from $10,000... not bad!)

After several more trips to the flea market, I gained the dealer's
trust, and he told me that his coin-altering friend was out of
jail, and if I wanted to see how it was done, to come by his
booth/tent thing on a certain day.

It was amazing. Using hand tools only (I only remember a vice,
a plastic hammer, some files, and a few little chisels), he
deftly turned that 0 into a 3 in a couple of hours. I don't think
this effort was as good as the one I'd seen earlier, but I do
remember him telling me that while in prison he would spend up to a
week on each coin (mostly because of the lack of easy access to tools).

(As I write this, I don't know how to explain the fact that neither
I nor my Dad ever made any effort to turn these guys in to the
authorities. I can't speak for my dad, but personally, I was so
overcome with curiosity that I don't think it ever occured to me.)

Fast forward 15 years. I'm friends with Joe Nickell. He's the
senior research fellow of CSICOP (http://www.csicop.org/) and
author of lots of books about frauds and hoaxes and investigations.
(Look up Joe Nickell on Amazon.com. He's an amazing guy, and the
closest thing there is to a real-life Sherlock Holmes.)

When I tell Joe about this coin-altering incident, he's fascinated
and demands that I try to set up another meeting with this
ex-con forger guy. I finally find the dealer - this time at a
flea market in Louisville. He doesn't remember me, but he definitely
remembered his coin-altering friend.

The guy had been killed a few years earlier! Not sure about the
details, but apparently he'd tried to con the wrong guy. The dealer
said that his forger friend had figured out that it was much more
lucrative to falsify lesser coins. Apparently you can make more money
by faking a few key dates and mintmarks than trying to sell 1804
silver dollars, etc. at Kentucky flea markets!

I suppose that's the end of the story, but sometimes I wonder
how many coins out there - the pride of many people's collections -
were actually made by a guy with a file and lots of free time.




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 Posted 02/05/2005  03:05 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add catman to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Interesting story. Thanks for sharing it.

In my 45 years of collecting I have heard of many stories like this and have seen many fakes both here and over seas. There is no doubt that there are fakes just floating around.

The one incident that really did effect the value of a rare coin happend in the early 1960's. The 1950-D Jefferson nickel was selling for around $26.00 each as it was the rarest of the Jefferson series.

A story broke out of Texas of a counterfiet scam that was nearly perfect. The 1950-D was being counterfeited not just altered and they were using the exact same alloy as the real thing. Somewhere along the line their die broke and caused a small spike to appear near the rim next to one of the letters. This was how they were caught.

No one knew how many of these 1950-D nickels were made but when the story broke the price of the nickel dropped from it's $26.00 value to $5.00 almost over night. The 1950-D has never recovered fully from this. No one knew if they had a real one or a fake that was struck before the die broke.

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Here is a good "fake" 1913 Liberty nickel for you.

Download Attachment: Liberty nickel /a .jpg" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">My-Bizarre-Altered-Coin-Story 1913 Liberty nickel.jpg
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I will take that as it would fill and ugly hole in my album!!!
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 Posted 02/05/2005  09:21 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Susanlynn9 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Welcome Sellathon! That's a great story. Do you still have the coin? I'd love to see a picture of it.
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quote:
Originally posted by national dealer

Here is a good "fake" 1913 Liberty nickel for you.

Download Attachment: Liberty nickel /a .jpg" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">My-Bizarre-Altered-Coin-Story 1913 Liberty nickel.jpg
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Now that is a good fake. You would have to do some serious looking to tell that was an altered coin.
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 Posted 02/05/2005  11:07 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add national dealer to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
ALtered 191? date. The 3 actually came from a Buffalo nickel. This coin came to our office last year when Bowers and Merena made the offer for the missing coin. The date is fantastic and not easily noticed as altered. Of course the placement of the stars is the easy giveaway that this was not the missing 1913.
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Sorry Susan, but I never actually bought one.
I'd love to have one now of course, but at the
time it seemed a waste to pay good money for a
fake coin. (And $20 was a lot to a 13 year old
kid in 1979.)
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quote:
Originally posted by Sellathon

Sorry Susan, but I never actually bought one.
I'd love to have one now of course, but at the
time it seemed a waste to pay good money for a
fake coin. (And $20 was a lot to a 13 year old
kid in 1979.)


Shoot, I have days now that $20 is a lot of money
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In the eight years that I've been collecting, I have only seen one altered coin (besides novelty items) was a 1959-D Jefferson that somebody tried to pass off as a 1950-D by shaving the tail off of the 9. It stuck out like a sore thumb, since it ended up looking like 195 degrees, because the "zero" was so small and higher than the rest of the numbers in the date. It was in a friend of mine's cigar box accumulation that his father-in-law had given him. It was in a 2x2 marked 1950-D. I pointed out the alteration to my friend and told him the story behind the 1950-D's being a "high dollar" coin years ago, and that his father-in-law probably had been decieved. He knew that I was being honest, and I tried to make a collector out of him. He made it as far as buying a 1999 Proof set that he in turn sold to me for $20. (It wasn't too long after it was issued, and he was in need of some quick cash) He has since lost interest in coins, but will not part with the old cigar box collection. There may be hope for him yet!!
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