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Diabolical coin, Gene. Excellent VAM-IT.
To what extent did varying press settings - remember, they were learning to strike the radically different and complex Morgan design the hard way, under time pressure and with poor initial results - affect strike in the same fashion as wear might?
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Thank's Dave, many times the answer is in front of us and then again, with so many variable's one SEE's into things inventing others...I'll let sleeping dog's lie lest they bite...  |
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Well, I see that you have been doing some studying and some all important thinking on this Mike... I am impressed, and can't say that I would disagree with too much of that... So when basining or polishing (same thing) is accomplished and the chip and the superficial crack are removed, and then a new and different crack appears, where does that leave you with die progression? It is now a different die, isn't it? The crisp sharp details on a coin indicate what.... a fresh, new die, or one that has had a polishing plate run over it? Is the coin with no cracks or blemishes the EDS or the LDS? Is the coin with that sharp detail really the EDS? Yeah Gene, and THANK YOU for your service (SINCERELY). The mint had orders to begin striking immediately on the day that the Bland/Allison Act passed... unfortunately, the guy who gave those orders (Linderman)was still conferring with Snowden about the design on that day (Feb 28th).... the working hubs were not even ready to go yet.... Linderman seemed to be caught off guard by the timing of Congress' passage of the bill.... as soon as he found out about the new law, he ordered everything to commence like right now, but nothing was ready right now.... the mint went from waiting on orders on the design, to 'grab it and go' mode.... dies were very hurriedly produced at the expense of quality, and as a result, the dies were annealed in a rush, relief concerns were not addressed (but soon realized), the dies could not be basined worth a @#%&@!, but were set in the presses anyway... the dies were a catastrophe (over all)... some were found to be good dies (like the A1c reverse) but they were the exception rather than the rule..... Believe it or not Dave, I look forward to being buried.... I like that sorta stuff.... (but be gentle please)... |
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very important point Dave..the press settings or the coin relief was crucial within the design and the minting...One of the reasons of the minting process troubles.. by the way for you lurker's while the Morgan series was pressed to mint a bajillion coins due to the Pitman act to introduce something to stabilize the US currency at that time.... SEE VAMMING has many facets!!   the why's of the problems they faced in productions terms, and the reality of those coins produced we can study...But back to VAM-IT LOL |
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WQW a lull in the tide and you all posted LOL.. but its all very good points......
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The first thing is ...It had to be a 78 S  The second thing to narrow it down is (Broken 4th Star) Keep in mind that even a small break is looked at as a broken star. Next is the reveres (Broken "R" in trust) That's the starting place for me. Edited by twohawks
12/31/2010 02:26 am
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I will see you all tomarrow, I have enjoyed the day and ALL of your comments......still I think I am missing out here.....
LURKERS GET YOUR TOUNGES out and speak....
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AS I was about to retire...I reread your post
Zee...so let us address one question at a time, and I do like all of your questions...BACK TO VAM-IT....so we don't loose this wonderful thread...of coins and theory...
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I never evolved into the attributing stage, so I will let the coin pass me by Gene, however..... Quote:
It's a very deep subject. and while we seek an understanding on basic terms... its not understood on basic terms...there are too many variables, No, it really isn't a deep subject.... only parts of it are, and that is where the variables come in..... a lot of it is common sense though, and a little bit of it is fact.... take the facts and build on them, and the speculation will take fewer directions. |
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Nice clue Russ, the clues begin!
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I every get to bed LOL
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The first thing is ...It had to be a 78 S You know, I actually noticed that as well.... maybe I could do this stuff after all. I thought about the broken star thing, but didn't bother to look... I looked at the arrow feathers, but forgot what I was supposed to look for...(or maybe I wasn't supposed to look for anything there since I did look at the mm already)...  Edited by zeewool
12/31/2010 02:39 am
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You are correct Zee...its not all that deep...but it does involve many variables, its not a rocket scientist thing...it does take some time to familiarize our selves with the so called variable rules... And they are depending on the year and MM.. .....Most years are very easy...... GN all and its been great......VAM-IT |
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the Morgan series was pressed to mint a bajillion coins due to the Pitman act to introduce something to stabilize the US currency at that time.... I'm always learning new things every day.... Congress was really able to plan for the future back then I guess? You always put a smile on my face Gene.... Thanks buddy. |
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I would like to offer an obersvation I have made while studying die progression and press settings. It is apparent that in some cases, once a die developed cracks, the press strike/pressure was backed off in a likely attempt to prolong die life, resulting in flatly struck coins from that point forward. Not referring to the 78-P discussion, but to other series.
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Interesting.... could you expound upon that a bit? Is this something that you have noticed on particular mints or years, or is it more die specific? Why do you feel that pressure adjustments are the more likely cause of the flatter strikes?
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12/31/2010 10:59 am
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