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Some Of My Grandfather's Coins

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 Posted 01/12/2011  2:47 pm Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add Shadyapex to your friends list Get a Link to this Message Number of Subscribers
Hi everybody, new member here. Last month I inherited about 30 old coins from my late grandfather. I've photographed and posted them on my photography site and am hoping that some here will be able to give me some idea of their provenance. Comments are enabled on the site so if you have some ideas you could post some comments there, or here and I'll use the info to label the coins. Just interested in knowing what I have. I just love looking at them and wondering what old pockets they jingled in and what myriad things they were used to buy over the course of their useful lives. Thanks, Steve.
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 Posted 01/12/2011  3:57 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add TenSense to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Are these for real? Because that first coin and a few of the others looks like Alexander the Great.
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1st -it's ancient greek coin it's BC
2nd-it's ancient greek coin but minted in Egypt.Ptolemy I, 305-283 BC
13th-it's byzante Reign of John I, 969 - 976 AD. Class A1 bronze follis. Christ facing with book of Gospels, +EMMANOVHA IX-XC. rev: IhSUS \ XRISTUS \ the 14th it's the same.
18th-byzante HUGE FLAN JUSTINIAN BRONZE, Byzantine empire, Justinian I, 527-565 AD. 20,21,22th are the same but 21,22 types con no niko.
26th-Nero realy rare
30th-Vespasian 69-79 AD
23,24th-Antoninus Pius 138-161 AD.
Your grandfather's coins are amazing.Best regards and keep it.



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 Posted 01/12/2011  4:37 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Shadyapex to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Thanks so much guys. This is very cool. I'm enjoying them a great deal so thanks for the info.
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 Posted 01/12/2011  4:42 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add echizento to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
The is a very nice collection of Ancient Greek, Roman, and Byzantine coins.
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 Posted 01/12/2011  8:16 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add bobbyhelmet to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Your grandfather had good taste

I'll chip in with a few:

9 is Claudius II (268-270) IMP C CLAVDIVS AVG / SALVS AVG.
10 is Philip I (244-249) IMP PHILIPPPVS AVGG / SAECVLARES AVGG; She wolf feeding Romulus and Remus; II in ex. - £50GBP.
17 is Licinius I (308-324) DN VAL LICIN LICINIVS NOB C / IOVI CONSERVATORI CAESS; Minted in Antioch(SMANT).

The coins where the busts are facing you are Byzantine and younger than the above - Most of the others are older, the greek ones much older.

No 8 (with the eagle) is a Roman coin issued from Alexandria with Greek lettering on it and will be of a similar date to the ones I've IDed,

A very nice collection.
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 Posted 01/13/2011  12:12 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add sel_69l to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Shadyapex: These coins are to be treasured. I developed a love for ancient coins in my teens. That was 40 odd years ago. I have had that time to build my collection.

You score that collection straight off! Look after it.

Get some good references on ancient coins. The value of that collection justifies the purchase of some good books so you can learn.

Before adding to the collection, acquire knowledge, and inspect as many of the ancient coins you can at coin shows to familiarise yourself. Start by adding low value coins, so you don't make big mistakes with fakes. I would suggest late Roman bronze coinage in superior condition.

I also suggest that you refer to the IBSCC (International Bureau for Counterfeit Coins) website. Keep a record of all of the coins you may acquire: where and when you got them, and for how much. If you get into more valuable coins later on, keep all of the purchase documentation.

And many visits to the 'VCOINS' website is a must!
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Don't know what ya got, but I know what ya got.......IS PRETTY DARN SPECIAL!!
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 Posted 01/13/2011  02:33 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Sap to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
You have a very nice "instant collection" of ancient and Byzantine coins there. Unfortunately, some of them (but not all) seem to be cast fakes or reproductions of the kind often sold to tourists. Do you have any records of where these coins came from? Do you know if your grandfather actively collected ancient coins, or if he ever visited Greece or Turkey?

Anyway, here's my observations on your coins. Your pics are excellent for someone not experienced in taking pics of coins, may I add.

#1: a tetradrachm of Alexander the Great, who reigned 336 to 323 BC. While coins in his name continued to be struck long after his death, this one appears to be a "life-time issue". The cockerel mintmark is attributed to the Amphipolis mint, 325-323 BC. See this Wildwinds page and scroll down to "Price# 79". I'm a bit worried about this one because there seems to be a seam around the edge; it may just be an optical illusion from the angle and lighting, but a couple of better pics of the edge of this one would confirm or dismiss this possibility.

#2: It appears to be a silver didrachm of Ptolemy V of Egypt, dated Ptolemaic Era 117 (195 BC) - see this example on acsearch.info. However, I'm really not liking that coppery, greenish colour - silver's not supposed to go like that. There were no bronze/copper coins with this design.

#3: Roman republic, bronze as. The right side pic should be rotated 9 degrees left; it's a picture of the prow of a ship, with I above and ROMA below. it's the "beak of prow above prow" type, like this one on Wildwinds.

#4: appears to be a tetradrachm of the city of Pergamon in what is now western Turkey, apparently from the early Roman period (133-57 BC). There's a snake crawling into a basket on the reverse (left pic) while the obverse (which should be rotated 90 degrees right)has two snakes entwined around a bow-case; a third snake is around the Staff of Asklepios, to the right of the main snakes. the "TTE" symbol is actually a monogram for the city, made from the Greek letters PER. The "snake in a basket" is a "cista mystica", associated with the initiation into the cult of Dionysus; another name for these coins is a "cistophoric tetradrachm" or "cistophorus"; in later Roman times they were given a denomination of three denarii.

#5: Appears to be similar to #3; can't tell the variety.

#6: a bronze from Roman Egypt; the portrait looks second century AD (Hadrian or similar) though with all the legends worn away it's hard for me to date it more accurately.

#7: Greek, post-Alexander period (circa 300-100 BC), afraid I can't see much more.

#8: a base-metal tetradrachm of Roman Egypt, emperor Maximianus, year 2 of his reign (287/8 AD). Example on acsearch.

#9 and 10 are Roman; bobbyhelmet IDed them above.

#11: Greek, from the city of Seleukeia in Cilicia in what is now southern Turkey, circa 150 BC; Example on Wildwinds.

#12: Roman Republic. the three dots at the side of the head tell us it's a quadrans, or 3/12ths of an as, dating from sometime between 200 and 100 AD; there's a name or monogram above the prow on the reverse which would provide a more precise date, but the coin isn't well-centred enough to read it.

#13 and 14 are Byzantine; they were IDed by t0rress above.

#15: also Byzantine, emperor Leo VI (886-912 AD). Listed in the Sear cataogue as number 1729, with a note that "this appears to have been issued in greater quantities than almost any other" Byzantine coin type.

#16: Byzantine, but too corroded for me to ID the emperor.

#17: what Bobby said.

#18: what t0rress said. "NIKO" is Nicomedia mint. Year is "ANNO XXX", or 556/7 AD.

#19: Also Byzantine, emperor Justinian I, follis, Constantinople mint.

#20: what t0rress said. Constantinople mint, officina epsilon. Year isn't clear in the pic, but could be XXII (548/9 AD).

#21: As #20, but officina beta, Year XXI (547/8 AD).

#22: As #20 also, but officina gamma, Year XGII (544/5 AD).

#23: what t0rress said. Rome, emperor Antoninus Pius, brass sestertius. Can't find the type listed.

#24: Rome, Antoninus Pius, copper as, 147/8 AD, reverse type the emperor standing in priestly robes offering a sacrifice on a tripod-altar. Example on Wildwinds.

#25: Rome, Emperor Tiberius but dating from before he became emperor, 10/11 AD, bronze as. 8 Examples on Wildwinds.

#26: Nero indeed, a sestertius, but unfortunately the coarseness and doubling on the reverse make me think this is a cast copy.

#27: Rome, emperor Domitian but before he became emperor, brass sestertius, 73 AD, reverse Spes (Hope) holding flower. Two examples on Wildwinds.

#28: a corroded version of #29.

#29: Agrippa, friend and heir-designate of Augustus, a copper as struck under Caligula circa 40 AD, but unfortunately I think this one is a cast copy. It just doesn't look right to me; the details are too "mushy" and the rim too pronounced.

#30: Rome, emperor Vespasian, brass sestertius, 71 AD, reverse Pax (Peace) standing. Similar example on Wildwinds.

#31: similar to #12, but with the corrosion I can't pick the type on this one either.
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On closer examination, I agree with Sap regards coins #1 and #2.

The #1 coin looks like an electrotype with that edge line.
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 Posted 01/13/2011  12:16 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Shadyapex to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Hey again everybody, wow, what a ton of info. Its going to take me some time to look at the coins while reading all of your notes. Thanks, I need something to do right now as I'm just out of back surgery.
Sel, sorry about being guilty of the instant collection. The same thing happens in other disciplines as well of course. Some guy posts a pic on a camera forum of the camera he picked up at a garage sale and it turns out to be a rare or vintage Leica that any camera buff would compromise their morals for.
I've always treasured my grandfathers stuff, and he had a lot. Fossils, coins, books, etc.
Sap, I don't know how much my grandfather knew about the coins he bought but he knew a great deal about ancient Greece and Rome and traveled there very extensively. He spent many years traveling the Mediterranean on tramp steamers. My grandmother is published in Greek, a language she took up at 65.
My mother's guess is that he bought most of the coins in New York and possibly abroad although more than that she does not know, there is no documentation. She says he wouldn't have paid more than about 50 cents, this would have been in the 20's, 30's and 40's and 50's.
I can't say with any certainly that he would have been immune to purchasing a fake coin but he was pretty savvy in many fields. He was the American artist Edwin W. Dickinson and his paintings are on display at many museums and galleries across the country including the Met in NY and the de Young in SF among others.
And thanks for the kudos on the photographs. I'm a long time amateur photographer and so know a little about lighting. These were made with a macro lens and 2 off camera flashes. I tried hard to eliminate the shadows but must say I haven't done as well as I would have liked. I'll try to do a better pic of #1 in order to cast some light on the apparent seam. Also, Sap, the link to the wildwinds page you mentioned regarding this coin doesn't seem to work.
Really appreciate all the input. This is just the project I need right now while I'm healing. My wife is already yelling at me for trying to do to much, as is my wont.
I would also love to have any ideas regarding a convenient set up for storing/viewing the coins that allows for handy reference notes. Right now I have coins and pieces of paper scattered all over my desk and am thinking that there must be a handier way. Manila folders and shoe boxes? Index cards? Small boxes? Thanks again, all!
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 Posted 01/13/2011  1:26 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Shadyapex to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
OK, here's another pic showing some more edge detail on #1 that Sap was a little worried about. Love to hear what folks think, is this a bogus coin? http://stevenbaldwin.zenfolio.com/p...34#h2371ba34
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 Posted 01/13/2011  6:27 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add bobbyhelmet to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
If your looking for a good place to waste some time while your healing I can recommend this site:

http://dougsmith.ancients.info/

The layout and navigation is not fantastic but its very well written, researched and easy to read.

Here is his page on Philip I - your coin (No 10) is there towards the bottom.

http://dougsmith.ancients.info/philip.html

Good luck with the recovery.


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Number 19 looks like a coin that I have, which is one of my favorites.
Struck at the same mint and office (gamma).

Byzantine Justinian AE Follis
Obverse: Diademed, draped, and cuirassed bust right D N IVSTINIANVS PP AVG
Reverse: Large letter "M", star left, cross top and right, gamma under "M"
Exergue: CON (Constantinople mint)
Catalog: Sear 158 - Struck AD 527-538 - Size 30mm
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I think some of these coins may at some point in the past been tumbled to clean them, which is why they look so smooth on the edges.
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